[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #322 January 30, 2002 In this issue: * Song Of The Week: "Tonight" * News from Roy (cont.) * The Village Underground * Ticket trade? * Escape to New York * "Lynne Me Your Ears" - Jeff Lynne Tribute 2CD * Lynne me your guitar * Which "Do Ya" like better? (cont.) * Roy Wood on Carlton TV's 'Rock Legends' - screen shots * Status of FTM orders * Epics -> Acid Gallery -> Christie * Pebbles? No, Rubbles? * Ace / Big Bertha ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Useful Web addresses: TheMoveOnline: http://www.themoveonline.com Official Roy Wood site: http://www.roywood.co.uk Face The Music Online: http://www.ftmusic.com Join the ELO List: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/showdown.html Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Song Of The Week: "Tonight" Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:27:15 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Song Of The Week: January 28, 2002 "Tonight" Ideas for discussion: Songwriting/lyrics Vocals Arrangement & instrumentation Overall production First impression Strengths/weaknesses What does this song mean to you? (Note: Lyric corrections are welcome!) *********************** "Tonight" (R. Wood) That's the road, it's over there and leading down to nowhere Is this the age when you're allowed to have your own cares If you were half so bright you'd plan your life ahead Instead of waiting till you're old in your bed CHORUS: I'll be over tonight, if you say you might I'll be over tonight, I need to put you right I'm so used to waiting, that's entirely your decision Don't be restricted by the weightless views you're given If you will have some pride you might confront ahead Instead of waiting 'til your young heart forgets CHORUS Well, the note you wrote on your overcoat But you don't want to take it too far Oh I think you won't But I know you don't But you always say that you are Never let the riches that my endless needs will give you Show some concern for all the love that you must live through If you were half so bright you'd plan your life ahead Instead of waiting till you're old in your bed CHORUS (repeat) CHORUS (repeat) CHORUS (repeat) CHORUS (repeat) (c)1971 EMI Records, Ltd. ********** Subject: Re: News from Roy Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:12:43 -0800 From: Greg Weatherby Lynn Hoskins wrote: > He won't be adding salsa numbers to his current "hits" set. (He > thought he might try to "salsa up" a couple of classics but it just > wasn't working.) His plan is for MDO to be ALL salsa, all new > material. Perhaps this will be an unpopular sentiment, but all I can say is "thank god" he won't be doing salsa versions! I have been waiting 35 years to hear Roy and I do not want to hear "I Can Hear The Grass Grow Cha Cha" or whatever the hell it would be!! Salsa? Reminds me of the Bonzo's "Can Blue Men Sing The Whites?". I am looking forward to the shows, though, thats for sure! Greg the traditionalist ********** Subject: Re: News from Roy Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:44:29 -0800 From: Plastic Ono Dream W O W ! this is fantastic news! another "orquesta"...i love it! ********** Subject: Re: News from Roy Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:45:08 -0800 From: "Doyle, Joe" Lynn wrote: >Look for two *new* songs to be played at the Village Underground >shows in March: "Spektacular" and "Big Girl's Blues." The latter is >a bluesy number with horns, inspired by Gary Moore. The title comes >from the popular British saying, "big girl's blouse." Great news! It'll be really good to see and hear some of Roy's new work. The BGB track particularly intrigues me. If the song is inspired by Gary Moore, I can't wait to see what guitar treatment Roy gives it. >Roy is in the process of creating a full-on 15-member salsa band and has >decided on a name: MDO (Mega Dance Orquesta.) "Orquesta" is the Brazilian >spelling of "Orchestra." ....... His plan is for MDO to be ALL salsa, >all new material. Better still!! Any news on who may be in the band or if Roy has any plans to release a studio album with the new band? I must admit that I'm not the hugest fan of Salsa in the world, but Roy's done such a brilliant job over the years, in virtually every genre known to man, that I can't wait to see what he does with this. The slumbering genius awakes!! ********** Subject: The Village Underground Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:51:59 -0800 From: "Henry Laura" Hello from New York. The Village Underground is an outstanding club that has been host to the only recent US appearances of The Pretty Things, Colin Blunstone & Rod Argent of The Zombies and others. It is important for you to know that the club does not open until shortly before the show begins. However, there is a bar immediately next door to the club - actually owned by the same folks - that will be open well in advance of show time. That will be a better meeting place. I assume that everyone also knows that three of the shows are standing room only. The 6:30PM show on Sunday is being set-up with tables and seats. ********** Subject: Ticket trade? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:44:50 -0800 From: John DeSilva Movers: Here's the deal - when Woody was going to perform in NYC in November, I bought two tickets for the Thursday night show for me and my wife. Now that the show is in March, my wife can't come with me. I'd like to go to the Friday show as well as the Thursday night show, so my question out to you is this: anybody have a ticket for Friday night's show that they'd like to trade for my Thursday night ticket? Or if somebody wants to go to the show Thursday night, I'll sell you the ticket for face value ($25). Please mail me off list if you're interested. Thanks! JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: Escape to New York Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:37:20 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Hi all, By request, I'm putting together a Web page (just a single page, nothing fancy) of travel plans so list members will know who will be attending the New York shows. If you want to be included, please send me the following information: Your city/state/country Which shows you'll be attending Travel plans (if you have your itinerary worked out) Any social plans or ideas that could include other list members Feel free to send me this information on an ongoing basis and I will update the page as new info comes in. Also, please feel free to discuss get-together ideas on the list. ********** Subject: "Lynne Me Your Ears" - Jeff Lynne Tribute 2CD Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:42:29 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins This may be of interest to some on this list... Not Lame Records has put out a 2CD Jeff Lynne tribute CD which features a few Move-related tracks. You can order it from the Not Lame Web site: http://www.notlame.com/store/prodinfo.asp?number=nllynn1 It's available via the Internet only now, but will be released to select retail stores in the U.S. and UK in late February. Here's the track listing. Of interest to the Move list: "10538 Overture," "Do Ya," "No Time," "Message From The Country," "The Minister," plus Carl Wayne sings "Steppin' Out" and Tony Visconti performs "Mr. Blue Sky." There are short clips of each song on the Not Lame site. DISC ONE: 1. Bobby Sutliff (The Windbreakers) & Mitch Easter (REM, Let's Active) - 10538 Overture 2. Earl Slick (David Bowie) - Ma Ma Ma Belle 3. Jeffrey Foskett (Beach Boys, Brian Wilson) - Telephone Line 4. Jason Falkner (Jellyfish, Air) - Do Ya 5. Ben Lee - Sweet Is The Night 6. Pat Buchanan (Idle Jets) - Rockaria! 7. Michael Carpenter - Every Little Thing 8. Peter Holsapple (The dB's) - No Time 9. Richard Barone (The Bongos) - Showdown 10. Jamie Hoover (Spongetones) - Handle With Care 11. Mark Helm - Strange Magic 12. Ross Rice - Evil Woman 13. Carl Wayne (The Move, The Hollies) - Steppin' Out 14. SWAG (featuring members of Cheap Trick, The Mavericks, Sixpence None The Richer) - Don't Bring Me Down 15. Prairie Sons And Daughters (the Tubes) - One Summer Dream 16. Doug Powell (SWAG) - Can't Get It Out Of My Head DISC TWO: 1. The Shazam - Twilight 2. Tony Visconti (The Move, David Bowie, T. Rex) - Mr. Blue Sky 3. The Heavy Blinkers - You Took My Breath Away 4. The Balls of France - Message From The Country 5. Ferenzik (Todd Rundgren's band) - The Minister 6. Neilson Hubbard and Venus Hum - Xanadu 7. Bill Lloyd (Foster & Lloyd, Marshall Crenshaw) with Hans Rotenberry (The Shazam) - When Time Stood Still 8. Sparkle*Jets UK - Above The Clouds 9. Walter Clevenger & The Dairy Kings - Rock And Roll Is King 10. Jeremy - Morning Sunshine 11. Rick Altizer - Boy Blue 12. Pray For Rain (PFR) - Livin' Thing 13. Sixpence None The Richer - On The Run 14. Todd Rundgren - Bluebird Is Dead 15. Roger Klug - Turn To Stone 16. Fleming And John - Eldorado ********** Subject: Lynne me your guitar Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:37:29 -0800 From: "Doyle, Joe" Well, after the Do Ya debate and hot on the heels of the Lynne Me Your Ears CD, it got me thinking. Well, to begin with does anybody know why Roy is not on this tribute CD? If he was, what track should he cover? Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing what Roy could do with Waterfall. It's a great song that would suit Roy's voice well, I believe and I'd love to hear his own cello arrangement for this song. Roy's 'punk' cello playing went really well with the slower songs on Electric Light Orchestra, such as Whisper In The Night and Mr Radio) and I think that he could really do justice to this one too. What if there was a Roy tribute CD (bugger me - why HASN'T there been one already?), what would Jeff play if he took part? I'd like to see Jeff's latest iteration of ELO have a bash at Ball Park Incident, or maybe Jeff on his own having a go at Brand New 88 off Eddy and the Falcons. Anybody who saw the Carlton TV show care to send in a 'review' (especially of the new song), for us poor bleeders on the other side of the pond? What did Rick Price have to say for himself? And finally, anybody have any further news on the new band - when will they start to tour, who's in the band, do they have plans to release a studio album of the new material? Anything? ********** Subject: Re: Which "Do Ya" like better? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:45:08 -0800 From: "Doyle, Joe" On the great Do Ya debate, I'm with the Move supporters. For me The Move's version is far superior. The ELO version is just too polished and watered down in comparison - too much of the raw energy is lost. ********** Subject: Re: Which "Do Ya" like better? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:43:47 -0800 From: Kevin A Kunreuther Truly, The Move Version is the best, those harmonies, bev's drumming, the heavy guitars...it's like a raw demo, but a close second is Matthew Sweet's one off during a rehearsal for the Late Night with Conan O'Brien program. The most elusive to find is a bootleg recorded live of the Who back in -79, either at Madison Square Garden or some venue in Cincinnatti. There's Todd Rundrgren's Utopia Live version that's kinda cool, too. Kevin Dallas ********** Subject: Re: Which "Do Ya" like better? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:44:02 -0800 From: John DeSilva I'm a Move "Do Ya" fan by a wide margin - very garage/grunge sounding. It was the second Move song I ever heard on the radio in Southern California (Brontosaurus was first). The ELO version is ok (the alternate version on Flashback is better than the ANWR version to my ears), but the Move's version is definitive, and a monster!!! ********** Subject: Re: Which "Do Ya" like better? Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:52:03 -0800 From: "Tree Daniels" I could never take the ELO version seriously (but, then, I like "Goddess In the Doorway" and the "Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame" so I've lost all credibility). ********** Subject: Re: Which "Do Ya" like better? Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:27:13 -0800 From: Jeff R. Lonto Having heard ELO's version first, I also much prefer the Move's version. Wish more people in the US, especially here in Minnesota, were aware of it, or for that matter, of the Move in general. ********** Subject: Re: Which "Do Ya" like better? Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:27:41 -0800 From: Plastic Ono Dream no contest whatsoever...gimmie a break already! it's the version by "the move" all the way! ********** Subject: Re: Which "Do Ya" like better? Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:21:38 -0800 From: "chris roberts" I heard the ELO version way before the Move one but the original has is by a mile for me. I can remember stumbling across the Move version on one of those 'Greatest Hits' cheapy albums ('Shines on' I think) without having first read the track listing. It was quite a surprise to and hear a familiar song and it's relative rawness against the 'full rounded' ELO sound shows the way that latter band were to go. I was a big ELO fan before I found out about the Move and looking back at the order in which I gleaned my history - Boy did I get confused! Ahhhh! The wonders of mailing lists such as this, ignorance is no longer an excuse as it was for this Woody fan whose mates thought I was just 'weird'. Belated Happy New Year to you all (whether you are 'weird' or not) :O) ********** Subject: Re: Which "Do Ya" like better? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:38:39 -0800 From: Bob Hughes I always wanted to take the middle eight from the ELO version, with the violins and splice it into the middle of the Move version. Then it would be perfect. ********** Subject: Re: Which "Do Ya" like better? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:26:39 -0800 From: Roy Cooke I prefer the move version, i think original versions are always recorded how the artist viewed the song, that aside I have to say that one of the best cover versions of any wood/move etc is Ace Frehleys version of Do ya, it really rocks. ********** Subject: Roy Wood on Carlton TV's 'Rock Legends' Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:10:37 -0800 From: "JIM HOBAN." Just updated the ELO Network website with the latest news plus added a load of screen shots from Roy Woods appearance on Carlton tv's 'Rock Legends' show which was broadcast Friday night here in the U.K. Jim Hoban, Carlisle, Cumbria, U.K. The ELO Network - http://www.elonetwork.com ********** Subject: Re: Roy Wood on Carlton TV's 'Rock Legends' Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:56:01 -0800 From: "Jeff Cooper" Anyone out there (in the UK) on-list who may be able to make me a copy of the above programme as this prize idiot forgot to set his video-recorder on Friday!! All costs re-imbursed etc etc. Please reply by private mail. Thanks and here's hoping... ********** Subject: Status of FTM orders Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:26:08 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins I received an e-mail from Rob today... due to his extended ELO and Move project commitments, he's been delayed. But he will be back in the UK Monday, February 4. Normal service regarding mailing, correspondence & Web site updates will resume then. Don't worry, all orders will be sent out by the end of next week. ********** [Catching up...] Subject: Epics -> Acid Gallery -> Christie Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:43:41 -0700 From: Greg Weatherby John DeSilva wrote about Nuggets II: >This box includes two from the Move (I Can Hear the Grass Grow and Fire >Brigade), two from the Idle Race (Imposters of Life's Magazine, Days of >the Broken Arrows), and the real jewel of this box, Dance 'Round the >Maypole by the Acid Gallery (Woody with the Tremeloes) - finally a >well-mastered copy of this Roy rarity. Oi! Not the Trems, but they did become Christie, who sang "Yellow River" The Trems connection is that Mike Blakely was in the AG, the brother of the Trem's Alan Blakely. The band was actually the Epics, who changed their name for this one-off. The interesting thing about this song is that it came out in Oct of 69, yet it totally sounds like 1967. Probably the reason it didn't become a hit. This song is huge. It has Move / Roy written all over it. Too bad they're aren't other hidden gems out there like this one, but there isn't (I think!) ********** Subject: More nuggets Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:51:00 -0700 From: Greg Weatherby John DeSilva wrote: > I just blew my music budget for the next couple of months (while not > forgetting to reserve enough to purchase ELO tix!) and bought the > Rhino Records release Nuggets II (Original Artyfacts from the British > Empire and Beyond). I highly recommend this box set - in some ways it > surpasses the first Nuggets box set (music from the American > psychedelic era) in that the songs and bands have much more varied > approaches than the "garage bands" in the first Nuggets box. This box set is an absolute necessity for anyone not familiar with 60s Brit / Euro pysch. There is so much good stuff on here that it is hard to even know where to start, like the Creation, the Smoke, Tomorrow, Les Fleur Des Lys, Dantalion's Chariot, Rupert's People etc etc etc. Go get it!! And John, as good as "Father's Name Is Dad" is, the follow up, "Round The Gum Tree" is bad. It's hard to believe that it's the same group! Oh yea, the Move, well, I have my tix for RW in NY, who else is going? ********** Subject: Re: Epics -> Acid Gallery -> Christie Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:36:09 -0700 From: John DeSilva Folks: First of all, sorry for the inaccurate information regarding Dance 'Round the Maypole - as Greg pointed out it is indeed the Epics, not the Tremeloes, who appear on this recording. I should have read the liner notes before sending the post, but I was too excited!!!! Anyway as Joe pointed out there are incredible "nuggets" on this box set - such as Winston's Fumbs (featuring a pre-Yes Tony Kaye on organ), Iceland's Hljomar, aka Thor's Hammer, and my current fave (which changes every 5 minutes) the Mops from Japan!!! BTW, the Pretty Things are prominently featured, which is only right - long live the Pretties!! And to keep this peripherally on topic, it appears that many members of many of the UK bands in this set found a way to play with Ace Kefford after he had left the Move ... the Singin' Skull was everywhere!!! ;-) Enjoy!! ********** Subject: Re: Epics -> Acid Gallery -> Christie Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:21:16 +0100 From: "Glenys Lehair" A nice addition to the Nuggets II box would've been "For Your Love"/"Gravy Booby Jam" by the Ace Kefford Stand. Can you actually get this single on ANY Cd??????? Both Nuggets boxes are outstanding but too much for my music budget at this moment in time! 16 year old wizzo, JOEL ********** Subject: Pebbles? No, Rubbles? Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:49:28 -0700 From: Greg Weatherby > A Nice addition to the Nuggets II box would've been "For Your > Love"/"Gravy Booby Jam" by the Ace Kefford Stand. Can you actually get > this single on ANY Cd??????? "Gravy" is on the English comp, Rubbles, Vol 9. > 16 year old wizzo, > JOEL Will you ever turn 17? ********** Subject: Re; Epics -> Acid Gallery -> Christie Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 05:57:39 -0700 From: Joe Ramsey Greg Weatherby wrote: > (Dance 'Round The Maypole) It has Move / Roy written all over it. Too > bad they're aren't other hidden gems out there like this one, but there > isn't (I think!) Yeah Greg, really! I love this song and it sounds pure Move. It does have the jingle-jangle of 1967, but it also has the heavy bass of '69 (think Lightning Never Strikes). And I swear to God that it sounds like Carl Wayne singing the verses and Roy doing the choruses - it HAS to be Roy although I have read that he denies singing on this song - he also can't remember performing on the original version of Do Ya either, so consider your source. I am a HUGE fan of the original Nuggets box set and wasn't even aware this was out. Yow! John's Children (Bolan)! Tomorrow!! Quo!!! (why couldn't they have put Black Veils Of Melancholy rather than the overplayed but still wonderful Matchstick Men). I'm buying it today! Thank you John DeSilva for the heads-up! They could have batted .1000 had they put Grunt Futtock's Rock & Roll Christian (A great rocker sung by Roy with Peter Frampton and Steve Marriott on guitars and produced by Andrew Loog Oldham) in too, but I think that it falls a bit out of the time constraints of the set. ********** Subject: Ace Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:58:27 -0700 From: Joe Ramsey John DeSilva wrote: > ... the Singin' Skull was everywhere!!! ;-) YES! The Skull. Move scholars/historians... please tell Uncle Joe about Big Bertha. Was this an Ace Band, too? ********** Subject: Big Bertha Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:25:39 -0700 From: Greg Weatherby > Move scholars/historians... please tell Uncle Joe about Big Bertha. > Was this an Ace Band, too? Ace played on their one single "This World's An Apple". The flip was "Gravy Booby Jam", also done by the AK Stand. Big Bertha had Ace on bass for the 45, Dave McTavish on vocals, who had been in Tintern Abbey, who had the great one off 45 "Vacuum Cleaner" / "Beeside", of which VC is featured on Nuggets 2. BB also had the Ball brothers, Dave and Dennis, who had been in the AK Stand. And Cozy Powell was on drums, pre Jeff Beck. "This Worlds An Apple" was released the same month as "Dance 'Round The Maypole", Oct 69 to put it in perspective. Alright, who's the anorak, then? ********** Subject: Re: Big Bertha Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:45:14 -0700 From: Joe Ramsey Greg Weatherby wrote: > Alright, who's the anorak, then? Ok, you anorak, you... I have a German single by Big Bertha. A side: Munich City and B side (one of my favorite titles of all time): Funky Woman. Do we have an Ace in this deck? Ball Brothers (I remember their album, Ball)? The late, great Cozy Powell? It is on German United Artist label and has a hazy photo of the band on the cover. One of the guys does look like Cozy Powell. Their are five members on the cover. Whaaaaaaaa? Joe End of Useless Information #322 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]