[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #329 February 16, 2002 In this issue: * New Roy Wood compilations - your input is needed! (cont.) * Roy Wood compilation for EMI is not Exotic Mixture * Missing Move? * Open My Eyes * Acid Gallery and more * Carl Wayne CD review * Ultimate Charts * In which I go off * Stolen tapes ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Useful Web addresses: TheMoveOnline: http://www.themoveonline.com Official Roy Wood site: http://www.roywood.co.uk Face The Music Online: http://www.ftmusic.com Join the ELO List: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/showdown.html Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Re: New Roy Wood compilations - your input is needed! Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:51:43 -0800 From: "Dave Woodier" This is definitely not easy, I guess it would depend on the target audience i.e. us long-timers or a combination of us and a new audience. The obvious thing for me would be the unreleased stuff, the following come to mind - Going Back To Siam - Hey Sweet Baby - The Great Goldrush - Stayback TV Theme and then the two with Jeff (Me & You and If You Can't) - Electric Age - Off the Record - If this love is Magic (Top tune!) - Love is a big animal? and others written around that time. I appreciate the hits and misses need to be included but it would be good to hear any work in progress I.e. acoustic versions of Wizzard hits or the early solo stuff. Particular favourite of mine would be Oh What A Shame. Perhaps it would be an appropriate opportunity to release the Big Band/Army live set as a bonus CD? ********** Subject: Re: New Roy Wood compilations - your input is needed! Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:58:48 -0800 From: Rob Caiger Dave Woodier wrote: > I appreciate the hits and misses need to be included but it would be > good to hear any work in progress I.e. acoustic versions of Wizzard > hits or the early solo stuff. I'd suggest that anything like Dave suggests, early versions, demos, rarities etc, get left to any box set or expanded editions for the albums for which the following were part of the sessions: > - Going Back To Siam > - Hey Sweet Baby > - The Great Goldrush Stayback I'd like to find - hunting it down at the moment (hopefully it was a theme that was fully finished as a song). It would also be nice to include one newer song on each CD, but we shall see... Rob ********** Subject: Re: New Roy Wood compilations - your input is needed! Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 03:19:38 -0800 From: "Rowland Jones" Hi, I haven't posted before but I've been following the list with interest. This is the story of my love - probably the finest Phil Spector Wizzard track which must exist in stereo somewhere! - all the version I have on CD are disappointing and on a couple you can here the edit! Buffalo station and get on down to Memphis are another two of my Wizzard fave's - I always enjoyed those live. "Look though the eyes of a fool" is also another of my musts for the compilation - it's a great song and really should have charted and so should "we're on the road again". From the Move period "Mist on a Monday morning" and "Cherry Blossom clinic revisited" are two of my favourites and from the ELO, the beautiful haunting "Whisper in the night". From Boulders, it would have to be "all the way over the hill" and "Rock medley." A full version of "I can't help my feelings" and "Saxmaniacs" would go down well, and the Wizzo band version of "California man/Brontosaurus" from the sight and sound concert would be good. but how you would join those tracks together is a mystery. "still it always works out alright in the end!" ********** Subject: Re: New Roy Wood compilations - your input is needed! Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 08:37:13 -0800 From: Kevin A Kunreuther For The Roy Wood Compiliation for EMI, I would select for inclusion Dear Elaine, Whisper In The Night (live Granada TV), Blackberry Way (Colour Me Pop BBC-TV), all the Wizzard singles a + B sides from 1972-75, Forever, Keep Your Hands On The Wheel (Said Marie To The Driver), Road Rocket, It Ain't Easy. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX "I'm still yawning!" ********** Subject: Re: New Roy Wood compilations - your input is needed! Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:08:32 -0800 From: Shawn Rush Hey Lynn, long time I haven't posted. I hope all is well with you. I would love 'Buffalo Station' on the compilation. No doubt about it. Hey, why not post it as song of the week. If you need, I could send you the lyrics. Be Well, Shawn ps, Hi to J.H. and M.K. and J.D.....and everyone else! ********** Subject: Re: New Roy Wood compilations - your input is needed! Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:33:23 -0800 From: "stephen mulcahy" in no particular order, and skipping the obvious hits: the song wear a fast gun nancy, sing me a song looking on hello suzie it wasn't my idea to dance mrs. clarke and the computer you can dance the rock and roll whisper in the night feel too good when alice comes back to the farm look at me now buffalo station/going down to memphis ella james until your momma's gone rock down low songs of praise wake up don't mess me up turkish tram conductor blues mist on a monday morning ********** Subject: Re: New Roy Wood compilations - your input is needed! Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:10:49 -0800 From: Poisongold My nomination, and it may prove unpopular but I feel pretty strongly about it, is "Way Beyond The Rain." It's a beautiful, sumptuous, classic-style Roy ballad, and as far as I know it's never been on a compilation or on CD in any form. Barring a re-release (I wish) of the whole On The Road Again album, I would love for people to hear a nicely remastered version of "Way Beyond The Rain." Thanks for asking! MJC ********** Subject: Roy Wood compilation for EMI is not Exotic Mixture Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:59:30 -0800 From: "Richard Kenworthy" It should be remembered that Exotic mixture was never released in the UK except as an import. I seem to recall that it didn't feature every single and b side as some of the later songs got missed. My 2 pence worth for now... Don't forget to include Dream of Unwin for it's acoustic guitar solo. Also what about the two versions of French perfume, acoustic per Mainstreet album recording compared with electric on the Sight and Sound in concert. ********** Subject: Re: Roy Wood compilation for EMI is not Exotic Mixture Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:57:38 -0800 From: Coinfobur I am very partial to the acoustic guitar on Dream of Unwin. It would be on my list too. Thanks for the reminder. Must dig it out. ********** Subject: Missing Move? Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:43:52 -0800 From: "Doyle, Joe" The debate about the "missing" first album may be moot, but wasn't Shazam originally going to contain all Roy compositions? I seem to recall so, and that the tracks may have been laid down. If so, then I would love to see some of that come out. ********** Subject: Open My Eyes Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:57:23 -0800 From: "steven graham" Does anyone know anything about The Move song Open My Eyes? I have been listening to it and can tell Carl Wayne is lead vocal and I guess it's from around 1967? Anyone? ********** Subject: Re: Open My Eyes Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:58:14 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins >I have been listening to it and can tell Carl Wayne is lead vocal and I >guess it`s from around 1967? Hi Steven, The only version I have is on the "Genius Of Roy Wood" bootleg. (Please, don't anybody spend money on this boot. Sloppy, sloppy production. Someone on the list will make you a copy - just ask.) It's a cover of an old Nazz track, from their debut album "Nazz," released in 1968. I happen to have the lyrics on my computer so I included them below. According to the bootleg track listing, it was recorded sometime between... 1968 and 1970. That really narrows it down, eh? ;) I have no clue about the location of this performance. Maybe someone else on the list will know. Isn't it great? Yeah, that's Carl on lead, with lots of complex harmonies from Roy, Trevor and Ace. The guitar is HEAVY (Wow!) What I would give to have seen the original Move lineup... "Open My Eyes" (Todd Rundgren) Underneath your gaze I was found in The haze I'm wandering around in I am lost in the dark of my own room And I can't see a thing but the fire in your eyes Clear my eyes, make me wise Or is all I believe in lies I really don't know when or where to go And I can't see a thing 'til you open my eyes I've been told by some you'll forget me The thought doesn't upset me I am blind to whatever they're saying And all I can see is the fire in your eyes Can't believe that it's on your mind To leave me behind ********** Subject: Re: Open my eyes Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:43:47 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Steven, I know of two versions of this Todd Rundgren penned Nazz song as done by The Move. One has appeared on bootlegs of the soon to be released (we hope) live at the Fillmore show from Oct. 1969. A vinyl LP boot titled "Omnibus" issued in the late 70's contains a fairly good version of this track. A cassettte of this entire show exists and has circulated for years. It's pretty hazy listening, though. "Open My Eyes" opens the show. The rest of it is mostly "Shazam" era stuff ending with a lengthy jam on "I Can Hear The Grass Grow". It will be wonderful to finally see this performance officially released. The other version of "...Eyes" was recorded for a BBC broadcast. This appeared on a CD boot back in '89 titled "When The 60's Come Back To The 80's". It consists of Move BBC stuff taped off the air, complete with crackles, whistles, hiss, tape drop-outs and bad editing. There's some cool stuff on it, though, that is not available elsewhere, including a Jeff Lynne song titled "Falling Forever" and a heavy metal version of The Beatles' "She's A woman". We can only hope that there are master tapes of this material that could be released as bonus tracks on forthcoming reissues of "Shazam" & "Looking On ". Perhaps Rob can shed some light on this. Hope this info helps. Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Acid Gallery and more Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:10:59 -0800 From: "Paul Watkins" Questions, Questions, Questions... 1. Does anyone know who was in 'Acid Gallery' with Roy on the single 'Dance round the Maypole' from 1969, I've heard it rumoured that it was the Tremeloes. 2. Also, Who recorded the original of 'William Chalker's Time machine? I have a Cd quality version of this track which sounds more or less the same as the supposed Move's Version, are they one and the same? 3. What year did Roy record the track 'Electric Age'? ********** Subject: Re: Acid Gallery and more Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:56:06 -0800 From: "Jim McAlwane" Paul Watkins wrote: > 1. Does anyone know who was in 'Acid Gallery' with Roy on the single > 'Dance round the Maypole' from 1969, I've heard it rumoured that it > was the Tremeloes This is what the Tapestry of Delights (http://www.borderlinebooks.com/uk6070s/tapestry.html) says about this lot... Personnel: MIKE BLAKELY drms, backing vcls A VIC ELMES lead gtr, lead vcls A IAN JANSEN gtr, backing vcls A ALAN ROSS bs A 45: 1 Dance Around The Maypole/Right Toe Blues (CBS 4608) 1967 The name may sound encouraging but don't be misled. The 45 is popish and disappointing. Not recommended but the 45 has become collectable, because of Roy Wood's (Move)'s involvement. This band had evolved out of The Epics and later became Christie of Yellow River fame. The 'A' side was written and produced by Roy Wood who also provided backing vocals along with Jeff Lynne. See The Epics entry for further details. You can also find Dance Around The Maypole on Rubble Vol. 10 (CD) and The Best Of Rubble Collection, Vol. 2 (CD). > 2. Also, Who recorded the original of 'William Chalker's Time > machine? I have a Cd quality version of this track which sounds more > or less the same as the supposed Move's Version, are they one and the > same? Again the Tapestry of Delights says this : Personnel: DEREK ARNOLD bs A MIKE HOPKINS gtr A KEITH SMART drms A MICK TAYLOR vcls A GARY WORTLEY organ A 45s: 1 William Chaulker's Time Machine/I Can Touch A Rainbow (Parlophone R 5671) 1968 2 It's So Nice To Come Home/Come On Girl (Parlophone R 5739) 1969 A short-lived Birmingham group whose two singles are now minor collectables. The first, William Chaulker's Time Machine, a worthwhile slice of Birmingham psychedelia, was written by former Move member Ace Kefford. It was produced by another ex-Move man, Trevor Burton and Amen Corner's Andy Fairweather-Low, who also produced the follow-up. Smart had earlier been with Danny King and The Mayfair Set with Trevor Burton and Mike Hopkins had joined Denny (Laine) and The Diplomats. Hopkins was in the latter days of Idle Race. Keith Smart was later in The Uglys, Balls, Wizzard and Mongrel. Compilation appearances have included: It's So Nice To Come Home on Not Just Beat Music 1965-70 (LP) and British Psychedelic Trip, Vol. 2 (LP); William Chalker's Time Machine on Rubble, Vol. 3 - Nightmares In Wonderland (LP), Rubble, Vol. 2 (CD), 60's Back Beat (LP); William Chalker's Time Machine and Hush on Top Of The Pops No. 178 (LP); I Can Touch A Rainbow on Electric Sugar Cube Flashbacks (CD); It's So Nice To Come Home and Wiliam Chaulker's Time Machine on Great British Psychedelic Trip, Vol. 3 (CD). Hope this helps you out.... Jim Mac http://www.marmaladeskies.co.uk ********** Subject: Re: Acid Gallery and more Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:49:08 -0800 From: Greg Weatherby > 1. Does anyone know who was in 'Acid Gallery' with Roy on the single > 'Dance round the Maypole' from 1969, I've heard it rumoured that it > was the Tremeloes. Not true that it was the Tremeloes. The AG was made up of Mike Blakely (drums), Vic Elmes (guitar), Ian Jansen (guitar), and Alan Ross (bass). They were initially the Epics, then Acid Gallery, and then morphed into Christie. Mike Blakely is the brother of the Trem's Alan Blakely, and both groups had the same management, hence the confusion, I suppose. This was their only release. > 2. Also, Who recorded the original of 'William Chalker's Time > machine? I have a Cd quality version of this track which sounds more > or less the same as the supposed Move's Version, are they one and the > same? This was recorded by The Lemon Tree. It was written by Ace and produced by Trevor. They released 2 45s, WCTM's flip side is well worth having as well,"I Can Touch A Rainbow". To the best of my knowledge, the Move themselves never recorded WCTM, so the version that you have is almost certainly The Lemon Tree. > 3. What year did Roy record the track 'Electric Age'? Dunno on this one. ********** Subject: Re: Acid Gallery and more Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:49:52 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Paul Watkins asked: >3. What year did Roy record the track 'Electric Age'? According to the book Unexpected Messages, it was recorded sometime in 1989. It exists only in demo form. (It was done around the same time as "If This Love Is Magic," and the two tracks he recorded with Jeff Lynne, "Me and You" and "If You Can't Get What You Want" - all unreleased.) ********** Subject: Carl Wayne CD review Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:42:57 -0800 From: "Drew Jacobs" I recently received the Carl Wayne CD and thought those who had not heard it may be interested in knowing what it's all about. It was originally released in 1971, and as such is an interesting snapshot of the times. That is to say, if you were thinking that this CD was Carl's version of "The Great Lost Move Album" be forewarned: this is nothing like The Move! Carl is in great voice, and the sound of the cd itself is terrific, but the song selection is interesting to say the least. The cd opens with "Sunday Kind of Love" an old doo wop standard that sounds great. Then comes the first of several gospel numbers "I Heard the Voice of Jesus". "Rosanna" is very Englebert-Humperdink-like. Carl's choice of the Dan Hick's song "I Scare Myself" is interesting. This tune pops up in the strangest places: Thomas Dolby, Better Midler, Manhattan Transfer and others have all covered this tune. Carl does a great version, along with "Long Long Time", the Linda Rondstadt hit. "Jubilee Cloud" is pretty rockin', about the most rockin on the cd including some nice slide guitar. Side two opens with the Drifter's "On Broadway". Skip it. Ditto "Magic Day". "Till I Can't Take it Anymore" Carl does Tom Jones. Honestly, by the time I got to "Spirit in The Sky" I was kind of glad the wholething was over. If you are a Move Completist, then you should get this CD. If you enjoy smooth middle of the road early 70's music, then you should get this CD. If you admire Carl's talent and think he's a nice guy and want to donate to the cause, then buy this CD. All other's--think twice! Drew Jacobs Latham NY ********** Subject: Ultimate Charts Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:33:33 -0800 From: John Collins Those of you who subscribe to the Showdown (ELO) list will know that they are voting like mad for ELO albums on the Ultimate Charts web site. And I have to say, have been extremely successful. This is found at http://www.ultimatecharts.com. Well, last week I went into the singles bit and nominated See My Baby Jive, which has been accepted as an outstanding single!! So if you click on nominate, then switch to singles and press W, you will find Wizzard and See My Baby Jive. You can have 5 votes every day so go for it!! ********** Subject: In which I go off Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:36:18 -0800 From: Greg Weatherby Andrew wrote: > dont have to ruin my collection no more cos its on vynle. id still > like to find out more infomation on the single by acid gallery > entittled here we go round the mullberry bush! (or something like > that?) ive heard roys on that but thats all i know about the track. so > thats the track i wish to Errrrm, "Here We Round The Mulberry Bush" is by Traffic from the film of the same name (btw, an excellent soundtrack album featuring Traffic, Spencer Davis Group, and Andy Ellison of John's Children, Jet, and Radio Stars fame) Now, having said that, "Dance Round The Maypole " by the Acid Gallery is the track that you mean, and it definitely has Roy's (without having any inside knowledge, just listening to it) fingerprints all over the track. He is singing and playing the bass to my ears, perhaps more. It's a great track, and a track that pisses me off, if you want to know the truth. Why am I pissed? Because DRTM is a full on 5 man Move type sound (even though it came out in 69). And it shows what Roy was capable of, and what we should have gotten more of, back in 'the day'. There should have been a 2nd album released with the 5 man line-up, and the first one (which was quite late by 60s standards) should have had more tracks like this, and less like "Zing", a novelty tune at best. We were deprived, and I'm not sure why. Think about this........they first charted in 66, the first album wasn't released until sometime late (I think) 67, and then the next album didn't come out until 19 bleedin' 70! Something is up with that; popular charting group, 45s in the charts all over the place (more or less) and we have a 2 1/2 to 3 year span between albums?? In the 60s? Man, other groups that had some popularity released albums pretty quickly back then..........so, yea, "Dance Round The Maypole" could have been one of the tracks on their 2nd album. I mean, "Blackberry Way" was a number one 45 in 68, and no album to support it? Huh? And so, if you would like to hear DRTM, I'll be happy to post it up for you if you can tolerate 2 to 3 meg .mp3 downloads...let me know ********** Subject: Re: In which I go off Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:51:49 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Greg, Gee, simmer down. If memory serves, there was an album recorded prior to the first Move LP, which came out in '68 methinks. If I have it right, the master tapes for this first effort were stolen and the the album we all know with "the Fool" cover was subsequently recorded somewhat hurriedly in order to get a record out. So, yes, perhaps we have been short changed a bit but it's not the band's fault. Perhaps it was management, Roy's favorite "whipping post". Fascinating to think what this first effort, if it exists, would be like. Would the track listing be the same? Were there other songs on it that were shelved when they made the 2nd attempt at a 1st album? And as the "real" 1st album, is it possible that it was an overall better effort than the one we have? If these tapes exist, wouldn't it be wonderful if they surfaced after all these years! Ahhh, we can dream, can't we? Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Stolen tapes Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:34:51 -0800 From: Greg Weatherby >Gee, simmer down. If memory serves, there was an album recorded >prior to the first Move LP, which came out in '68 methinks. If I >have it right, the master tapes for this first effort were stolen >and the the album we all know with "the Fool" cover was >subsequently recorded somewhat hurriedly inorder to get a record out That was a story put out by their hyper-active management team to gain publicity, which it did, but...it wasn't true, a complete fabrication. The story went that someone left the tapes in their car, and when they came back, they were gone. Never happened. So, yes, we can dream, but not about a release of the "stolen" first album! ********** Subject: Re: Stolen tapes Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:43:33 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Well, no sense being dumb unless it shows, eh? Thanks for the correction. I had wondered about the validity of this story. Another tarradiddle along the lines of Roy's supposed real name, "Ulysses Adrian Wood". But as I said in my post, these things were no doubt encouraged by the management at that time. And hopefully there are a few more unreleased tracks from this early period such as "Vote For Me" that appeared on "Movements". Still dreaming, Tyler End of Useless Information #329 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. 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