[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #377 August 9, 2002 In this issue: * Song Of The Week (week of 8/5): "Disturbance" * Guitar tabs needed * "Daddy dishes the dirt on young Mrs Osbourne" * Nick Pentelow * Tell us the news about yourself... ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Useful Web addresses: TheMoveOnline: http://www.themoveonline.com Official Roy Wood site: http://www.roywood.co.uk Face The Music Online: http://www.ftmusic.com Join the ELO List: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/showdown.html Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Song Of The Week: "Disturbance" Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:41:23 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Song Of The Week: August 5, 2002 "Disturbance" Vocals Lyrics Instrumentation Songwriting Arrangement Production Personal interpretation Strong/weak points *********************** (Can anyone help with the lyrics?) "Disturbance" (R. Wood) When I was a little boy my mama dropped me on my head I felt kind of dizzy but the doctor ______ Ever since there's been a slight disturbance in my mind A kind of disarrangement that the surgeons cannot find At the age of 7 I just couldn't read my ABC But I gave my teacher tips on how the cavemen used to be Ever since there's been a slight disturbance in my mind A kind of disarrangement that the surgeons cannot find Reached the age of 21 and got no ______ Day and night I'm loonin' 'round just don't know what I'm looking for Will they carry me away? Oh, will they carry me away? I was 97 and I'm sure my brain had had enough Racin' 'round in jet planes 'cause my sports car ain't quite fast enough Ever since there's been a slight disturbance in my mind A kind of disarrangement that the surgeons cannot find Will they carry me away? Oh, will they carry me away? Oh, will they carry me away? Oh, will they carry me away? ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Disturbance" Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:00:03 -0700 From: Richard Messum Ah, yes,the first RW venture into the subject of mental derangement, and the 'B' side of "Night of Fear," it's 2nd level Move for sure but top of the division. (Apparently it was originally intended as the 'A' side, though.) The intro sounds to me like one of those Radio London adverts that are interspersed throughout "The Who Sell Out," the instrumental coda sounds like something off Pink Floyd's debut album, everything in between is pure Move, with Bev Bevan, in particular, going doolally (thematic solidarity, perhaps?). Sorry i can't assist with the lyrics, although i'd suggest, for Verse 3, line 1, "Reached the age of 21 and got no ? to fit my ?" -- a big help, i know.... On an unrelated matter, i've been reconsidering my opinion of "Miss Clarke & the computer." I still think that, lyrically and vocally, it's pretty atrocious (i would defy anyone to identify, blindfolded, the singer as being our Roy), but having listened to it a few times since my impetuous and polemical posting of a few weeks ago, i must admit that, instrumentally, it really is rather charming. ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Disturbance" Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:57:24 -0700 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Hello All "Disturbed" Movers, Well, this one is certainly one of Roy's more colorful tunes, isn't it? I understand it was the "A " side of their first single but "Night Of Fear" was preferred because it was thought that "Disturbance" might offend crazy people. A similar thing happened here in the states in 1966 when "They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha Haaa!" by Napoleon XIV became a hit. It was actually taken off the air because some crazy people WERE offended. But it was still a top 10 hit anyway. I wonder if "Disturbance" got any airplay in the UK at all? Was it issued first and then withdrawn? Who is doing the raving and drooling at the end of the record? It sounds like Roy & Carl are trading off on the vocals in the main part of the song. Way out lyrics (sorry, Lynn, I don't know what those missing lines are) and creepy feel make this a great Halloween record. I put it in my juke box every October. This, coupled with "Night Of Fear", really set the tone for The Move being decidedly off-center, which is why they are so interesting to listen to even now. Maybe we're all off-center for digging them so much! Tyler the Loon Cherry Blossom Clinic ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Disturbance" Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:59:21 -0700 From: Edward Morris The big RM wroteth: >Sorry i can't assist with the lyrics, although i'd suggest, for Verse 3, >line 1, "Reached the age of 21 and got no ? to fit my ?" It's "got no key to fit my door" (as in being 21). Also and additionally I always thought the "97" of the last verse was "37", I'll have to listen again... This song ranks alongside the intro to "Fire on High" and Black Sabbath's title track for being very useful for scaring someone's little sister, as if I wood!! ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Disturbance" Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:57:27 -0500 From: "Joseph Davolt" I remember the Move online website once had lyrics. Even after the link was taken down to it, if you had the right extensions, you could get in and see 'em until a short while ago. I'm pretty sure these are the words for the blanks, as stated on the site. I think theyre right, but who knows.... "but the doctor...monitored everything i did" - not too sure about that one.... "reached the age of 21 and got no key to fit my door" - I'm pretty sure that one's right...hey, it does rhyme with "dont know what im lookin for" in the next line. Oh and about Move tabs/chords...Joel did have a site with quite a few. He took his site down for some revamping a while back though...now I wish I'd saved 'em or printed them...maybe Joel could share them with you if he still has them... Joseph Davolt, the American 17-year-old Wizzo...lol ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Disturbance" Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:48:32 -0700 From: Jeff R. Lonto From the old roywood.com Web site, the missing lyrics are these (which I printed out on Feb. 24, 2000): "I felt kinda dizzy but the doctor made note of all I said" "Reach [sic] the age of 21 ain't got no key to fit my door" ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Disturbance" Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:56:04 -0700 From: Richard Messum Well done, Ed! Of course you're correct, the lyric is obvious when you know what it is! I think the last verse is "97," though: the character in the song looking back on his life. Tyler wondered who was doing the raving and drooling at the end. Bev Bevan states that the group were vocally assisted by Denny Cordell and Tony Secunda -- the actual quote is "screaming a lot in the background," so i suppose that it is they. Bev also says that there were horns on the recording, but try as i might, i can't hear them. Of course, record production was a comparatively primitive art back in '67. Can anyone with perhaps less self-inflicted hearing impairment (standing too close to the speakers at Who and Deep Purple concerts) say where the horns appear? ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Disturbance" Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:45:20 -0700 From: Peter Tomlinson > Can anyone with perhaps less self-inflicted hearing impairment (standing > too close to the speakers at Who and Deep Purple concerts) say where > the horns appear? Hi Richard, Unfortunately, I'm not near a "recorded music source" (I was going to write "stereo"! Archaic, I suppose), but I've always heard horns in the "they're gonna carry me away" BA-BA-BA-BA-BAA section of "Disturbance". It may just be a side-effect of the extreme compression used on that particular Cordell production. Btw, who sings that line? Ace? ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Disturbance" Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 00:32:22 -0700 From: Edward Morris RM: > Bev also says that there were horns on the > recording, but try as i might, i can't hear them. This is only from memory, but after the "will they carry me away?" line there is a "pahpah, pahpah, pahpah" bit is there not?.. which is, I recall strings+horns, possibly. ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Disturbance" Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:53:36 -0700 From: Richard Messum Ed wrote: >This is only from memory, but after the "will they carry me away?" >line there is a "pahpah, pahpah, pahpah" bit is there not?.. which >is, I recall strings+horns, possibly. OK, i know the bit you mean and i think i can detect strings there but the horns continue to elude me. Must clean the wax out of my ears one of these days ;-) Incidentally, the "Movements" box set includes an "undubbed alternate version" of the song on which the production seems a bit crisper (and which lacks the "frighten the horses" coda). I still can't hear those blasted horns, though! Exit, muttering disconsolately.... ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Disturbance" Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:07:25 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Richard Messum wrote: >Incidentally, the "Movements" box set includes an "undubbed alternate >version" of the song on which the production seems a bit crisper (and >which lacks the "frighten the horses" coda). I still can't hear those >blasted horns, though! Aren't the crazy screaming bits at the end missing from the "Movements" version? I recall there being a brief debate on this list a while back about whether the song was stronger with or without the screaming. Another point to ponder... Roy told Goldmine in 1994 that he wouldn't have gone with 'Night Of Fear' to be the band's first single. "If I could have chosen it I would have picked another song to be the single. I wanted to use 'Disturbance' as the single because I thought that was probably more representative of the band." If "Disturbance" had been the A-side, would it have paved an entirely different path for the band? A la Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd? Hmmmmm... ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Disturbance" Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:15:56 -0700 From: Richard Messum Lynn wrote: >Aren't the crazy screaming bits at the end missing from the >"Movements" version? I recall there being a brief debate on this >list a while back about whether the song was stronger with or without >the screaming. "Movements" has the two versions, the original and the "undubbed alternate version" i referred to, and it's the latter which omits the deranged coda. Don't know if it's stronger with or without the psychedelic freak out (Syd Barrett would have been proud, i imagine), but the song is certainly more interesting with it included. >If "Disturbance" had been the A-side, would it have paved an entirely >different path for the band? A la Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd? Ah, who can say? Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd only made one album, though, before poor old Syd wound up in his own private Cherry Blossom Clinic..... Cheers, etc. ********** Subject: Guitar tabs needed Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:50:54 -0700 From: Paul Lynn Baker Hi, anyone got any guitar chords for Move songs, or are there any books etc. Many thanks.....Paul Baker ********** Subject: Re: Guitar tabs needed Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:41:58 -0700 From: Tremelo7 flowers in the rain and blackberry way are all over the net and pretty easy to find...do ya is on one site, but i cant remember if its a move site or an elo site...i will relay when i find it again....mike ********** Subject: "Daddy dishes the dirt on young Mrs Osbourne" Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:18:43 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Thought I'd share an insightful article that appeared in the July 21 edition of the Sunday Times (London.) The article contains news about the upcoming Don Arden autobiography, as well as daughter Sharon's "famous" ELO quote. ;) As there have been questions on this list about Don Arden's exact involvement in the careers of The Move, Roy Wood, Wizzard and Electric Light Orchestra, I asked Rob if he wouldn't mind writing a brief history to educate us all a bit. (Thanks, Rob!) Rob is currently working on a new project with Don and David Arden. ---- Don Arden, successful and high-profile entrepreneur during the 60's and 70's was agent and booker for The Move when Tony Secunda was their manager. When Secunda was fired, Arden attempted to obtain the group's management contract. The Move didn't want to go with Arden due to his "heavy" reputation and instead went with Peter Walsh. Unfortunately, this group decision steered The Move into the cabaret circuit, for which Walsh was the biggest booker. These engagements led to bad feeling in the group, Carl Wayne left and Roy Wood, tired of the band format, wanted to begin his Electric Light Orchestra project. The only manager capable and far-sighted enough to help bring the project to fruition was Don Arden, so ultimately, Roy, Bev Bevan and Carl's replacement, Jeff Lynne, signed to Arden for management. His first act was to obtain finance the new project. He did this by signing Wood, Lynne and Bevan to EMI as The Move but at the same time, secured an advance for the unnamed ELO project. Arden also came up with the strategy of keeping The Move going in name only after California Man when ELO were still experimental, untried and unsuccessful, giving Jeff and Roy a budget and time to record, rehearse and develop ELO without record company interference. When it became apparent that ELO was fragmenting after their debut tour, Arden created an improved situation by presenting EMI with four acts from one two, both signed to the label: ELO led by Jeff Lynne and Bev Bevan, Roy Wood with a new band Wizzard, Roy as a solo artist, and The Move. Later, with ELO, Wizzard and Roy achieving big hit singles, Don "convinced" EMI to "forget" about any further singles and albums owed to the record company by The Move. Without Don (and later with the help of his son David and daughter Sharon) financing the early years of ELO and Wizzard and dictating to EMI exactly what they wanted for their artists, ELO and Wizzard would have struggled to become established in as short a time as the did. The meetings Don had with the heads of EMI to push and give Roll Over Beethoven and Ball Park Incident total priority have gone down in legend at the company. The broken tables and glances at open windows, four floors up, during meetings convinced EMI to devote time and money in establishing ELO, Wizzard and Roy Wood. The amount of time Arden spent telling record companies what to do (not just EMI) convinced him he might as well do it all himself - and better. So he created Jet Records, which at one time was the biggest independent label in the world. Many of the ideas Arden developed during his years of agency and management have since been adopted by the music industry as standard practice. Though over time, each artist moved on or fell out with Arden for whatever business reasons were valid at the time, it's doubtful that ELO would have been as successful or achieved as much, especially in America, without his managerial guidance or support in combating the music industry. Put it another way, during the 70's when ELO or Wizzard had a new record coming out, you heard it constantly on the radio, you were always aware of the promotion, the full-page ads, the news reports and interviews in the press, radio and TV. And for ELO, you could go and watch the band perform in the Arden-instigated spectacular spaceship stage-set. Don Arden managed Roy Wood from 1970 - 1975 and ELO from 1970 - 1980. - Rob Caiger ---- Daddy dishes the dirt on young Mrs Osbourne Sunday Times; London (UK) July 21, 2002 by John Harlow, Los Angeles She was not an overnight excess. Sharon Osbourne, the flamboyant wife of the heavy metal rocker Ozzy, was behaving badly 30 years before she found fame as the matriarch of the loudest family on television, according to her father. Don Arden, 76, a colourful London-born rock manager, has written an autobiography that is expected to reveal his daughter's early alleged follies, ranging from a spree in which she spent nearly Pounds 200,000 on jewellery in one afternoon to an attempt to run him over in her car. Arden is thought likely to press ahead with his book despite reports that Sharon, 49, is receiving chemotherapy after an operation for colon cancer the day before her 20th wedding anniversary earlier this month. Associates of Sharon, a star of The Osbournes, MTV's real-life soap opera shot in the family home in Los Angeles, say she will be angered by his tales. "Sharon and Ozzy live in the public eye but this is stuff she thought was behind her," one said last week. Arden was estranged from his daughter for two decades, and an unpublished line in a manuscript he wrote 14 years ago read: "The day my daughter dies I shall be waiting at the graveside, ready to drive a stake through her heart." For her part Sharon tried to convince her children their grandfather was dead, he wrote, but his tone has softened since a reconciliation after the September 11 attacks. Arden, who managed Gene Vincent, the Small Faces and Osbourne's Black Sabbath, described how Sharon's big break came in 1974 when he appointed her road manager for Lynsey De Paul. "They hated each other on sight, and Sharon quit one night," says Arden's draft manuscript. "Only she didn't leave a resignation note: she just crapped in De Paul's suitcase and walked out." He then appointed her road manager for the Electric Light Orchestra - but she complained that they were "the most boring bunch of old women I've ever worked for". In 1978 Arden's credit card was turned down in New York. A "bored" Sharon had gone shopping, he says, spending Pounds 116,000 at the jeweller Van Cleef, Pounds 50,000 at Tiffany's and Pounds 33,000 at Cartier. On another occasion, Sharon had an argument with a limousine driver and was so upset that she left behind a bag of jewels worth Pounds 500,000. In 1979, when the increasingly drug-addled Ozzy was sacked by Black Sabbath, he moved into the Arden household for a year. He and Sharon fell in love and married. Arden handed Sharon his management contract with Ozzy as a wedding present but they fell out over how much it was worth. She grew to loathe her father so much, he claims, that she once tried to run him over in a Los Angeles street. These days they talk on the phone every week. "I just hope she keeps this up; I wouldn't like to see any bad feeling arising again. It's too much," he says. (c)2002 Times Newspapers Ltd. ********** Subject: Re: "Daddy dishes the dirt on young Mrs Osbourne" Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:26:54 -0400 From: marmil (Marc) This is excellent - thanks Lynn & Rob. Does anyone know when the book is coming out? ********** Subject: Nick Pentelow Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:41:32 +0100 From: Stephen Wallace Following thread about the great Woody sax player Nick Pentelow, I was just delighted to see him playing in late May with the still-wonderful Gary Brooker (of Procol Harum) at Blues on the Farm in Chichester. The band, No Stiletto Shoes, which plays as Gary's other outfit, also featured Andy Fairweather Low (on guitar), Graham Broad (on drums) and Dave Bronze (on bass). I had not heard Nick live before, and like the others, he has not lost any of his great feel and style. I know there are some Woody followers who also like Procol, and they may be interested to know Procol is due to record a new album later this year. For those still interested in Procol: www.procolharum.com, Having travelled across the world to see Woody & Army in Hayes in 87, and Cardiff in 2000,- which were both just fabulous- I have now moved over here awaiting the next Army gig! ********** Subject: Re: Tell us the news about yourself... Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:30:24 -0700 From: GaryM >Your name, age, location, occupation. Gary Mollica (AKA GaryM), 47 yo, Pasadena CA, RN Nurse Counselor in Addiction Medicine, reviewer for Roots & Rhythm, ex DJ 73-78 >How long have you been a Move and/or Roy Wood fan? Since my 1st Move Related Experience (see below) >What was your first Move related experience? Back in the days of Underground Radio, WNEW-FM had a Sunday evening show playing the UK Top 10. That's the 1st time I heard The Move (Blackberry Way) & it was love at 1st hearing >Tell us about your top 5 favorite Move related tracks. California Man - the last song I played as a DJ - WRUW-FM, Cleveland, 11/78. 4 hours later I was on a plane to San Francisco & moved to Berkeley Open Up Said The World At The Door - the name of my '75-76 radio show Cherry Blowwom Clinic Revisite - I worked 15 years in in-patient psychiatric hospitals Feel Too Good Do Ya (Move's version, of course) Honorable mentions Blackberry Way Ben Crawley Steel Company Message From The Country 10538 Overture Kuiama Meet Me At The Jailhouse >What's your favorite Move related album, and why? The moves LPs ere pretty schizophrenic - Shazam had a side of great original & a side of covers. I wore out side 2 of Looking On & rarely played side 1. The 1st LP never was around except on compilations (anyone remember having to buy ANOTHER Move reissue so you can get a B-side?) And Split Ends had all the wonderful singles, but also a re-run of the Message stuff. >If you've seen the Move or any member of the Move in concert, tell us >about that show. Saw ELO back when no one had any idea who they were - opening up for Linda Ronstadt & The Beach Boys. One of my best friends got to see Wizzard play in his home town of Parsippany NJ. >Tell us about an amusing or interesting situation that has happened >as a result of you being a Move/Roy Wood fan. Just heard from a friend of mine from college for the 1st time in over 25 years. 1st thing he said was "Do you still listen to The Move - what ever happened to Roy Wood?" Back in college, a friend of mine said - "Oh, you like the Move? I have a record of theirs I never listen to" & gave me a copy of Something Else, back when it was worth its weight in gold. >Who are some of your other favorite artists/bands? Pere Ubu, 13th Floor Elevators, Zombies, listening to a lot of Laura Nyro & Randy Newman reissues lately, >What is the one burning question that you have never had answered >in relation to Move/Roy Wood history or music? How did you ever get a hold of Fields Of People? >Are you having trouble finding any Move related music on CD? No. I think I was on this list many years ago. What got me back into it was getting the incredible 2 CD version of No Answer All the best GaryM End of Useless Information #377 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]