[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #401 October 14, 2002 In this issue: * Get well cards for Carl * Moving Byrds * Carl Wayne * Human Cannonball * Mongrel * Need some CD advice * Congratulations and Thanks * Where Are They Now? - Carl Wayne (2000) * The complete MOVE video list (cont.) * Move On Video * Hard to find Move or Roy CD's * Song Of The Week (week of 10/14): "Songs Of Praise" ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html Join the ELO List: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/showdown.html Other official websites: The Move: http://www.themoveonline.com Roy Wood: http://www.roywood.co.uk Face The Music (for all ELO & related news): http://www.ftmusic.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Get well cards for Carl Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 14:27:26 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Some of you are asking where you can send get well cards for Carl. Great idea! Send to: Carl Wayne c/o Face The Music P.O. Box 718 Esher Surrey KT10 0YF UNITED KINGDOM Rob says Carl will get them as soon as he's up and about. ********** Subject: Moving Byrds Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:44:57 -0700 From: MontyDaman (Harold) Joe Ramsey wrote: >George wrote Roger McGuinn a letter saying his song "I Need You" from >Help, was directly influenced by The Byrds' "Bells Of Rhymney. Nope...it was "If I needed Someone"......." Not "I Need You". Tyler Sherman wrote: >Let us not overlook the Move's cover of the Byrds' "Why?" in their 1967 >appearance on Swedish TV that WAS captured on tape. OHHHHH has any one ever see this? The Move doing this Byrds (cult classic) song? Wow I wanna hear it. ********** Subject: Re: Moving Byrds Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 05:22:13 -0700 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Hi Harold (and others who are interested) The Move's "mini-concert" on Swedish TV in 1967 has appeared on two bootleg recordings I am aware of. First, on a vinyl album in the late 70's titled "Omnibus", which also contained a fairly good recording of Nazz' "Open My Eyes" from the Fillmore concert, for which we are all waiting with baited breath. More recently it appeared on a CD titled "Looking In". It captures the band early on in their career, as "Flowers In The Rain" was a "new" record at the time. Carl introduces it by saying, quite sarcastically, "This song is associated with our 'beloved' prime minister". If master tapes of this exist it might make a cool "legit" release someday. Hey! How about including it as a "bonus" disc with the forthcoming "Live At The Fillmore" CD! Ahh, we can dream, can't we.... My prayers go out to Carl for a speedy recovery. Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: Moving Byrds Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:12:54 -0700 From: kakman1 In 1981, I was young, getting by and standing in Bleeker Bob's in NYC with Omnibus (live in USA and Sweden), quivering in my hands for the princely sum of $17.00. I didn't have the cash, sadly put it back. returned next week, it was gone. Never saw or heard of it again until I joined the list. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Carl Wayne Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 03:46:13 -0700 From: "Stephen Simpson" Carl, Our thoughts and prayers are with you during this time. May the operation go smoothly and successfully, and may your recovery be swift! You are admired and appreciated by so many and we look forward to what the future has in store for you. Stephen Simpson Daphne, AL USA ********** Subject: Human Cannonball Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:13:25 -0700 From: "George Mackenzie" Does any know what happened to "Human Cannonball" which was originally planned to be on the Main Street album. Is it possible that Roy thought it was'nt good enough for the album, and has anyone ever heard the song? ********** Subject: Re: Human Cannonball Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 23:44:04 -0700 From: BigLarry26 George, I understand that's exactly why it was left off. One part of me wants to hear it. Sometimes an artist is the worst judge of his own work. John Lennon didn't even want to release some of The Beatles biggest hits! In this case, Roy had several years of hindsight, and was able to be more objective about the music than he would have been, at the time it was recorded. Still would be nice to hear, tho. Larry Harris Dallas, Texas ********** Subject: Mongrel Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 01:16:31 -0700 From: Joe Ramsey richardkenworthy wrote: >Tyler wrote about the Mongrel sessions before Wizzard. > >I assume that this was Get ya teeth into this which included Bob >Brady on piano and he wrote much of the music too. > >the album cover featured a large filled baguette. After most of the >band joined Wizzard Bob reformed the band in order to complete the >album. Then later Bob rejoined his former mates in Wizzard Does anyone have this album? I have NEVER seen it or known anyone who has. If you do have it, could you give us a bit of a review? Many thanks. ********** Subject: Re: Mongrel Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:01:01 -0700 From: "Richard Kenworthy" Joe, I've only just moved the Sofa back in front of the cupboard containing my Lps after digging out the two Rick Price albums. This week will be somewhat busy, but I shall see what next weekend brings... ********** Subject: Need some CD advice Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:59:24 -0700 From: Gmcorie It's me again. the dork. I've been trying to get my hand's on any of THE MOVE or ROY's cd's. hard to find. been away from music for a few year's. not jail or any thing of the sort. need some good advise. in vinyl I have the MOVE {mfp} guess to be greatist hit's, SHAZAM, SPLIT ENDS and BEST OF 2 record set. solo - WIZZARD'S BREW, EDDY and the FALCON'S, BOULDER'S, MUSTARD and ON THE ROAD AGAIN. they are all in very good to very very good shape. they realy are. I think I should get the mean' to burn them {cd's]. any ideal's of what I should do. louisiana george ps have a lot of other great album's ********** Subject: Re: Need some CD advice Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:13:47 -0700 From: FifthFlRec (Ray) Check out CD Now on the internet...they have a few. Also try Borders Books online. Good luck! ********** Subject: Re: Need some CD advice Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:37:48 -0700 From: "Stephen Murphy" To Louisiana George and anybody else looking for cd's by the Move, Wizzard, Roy Wood, ELO, and other related artists. Check out AKA records at 2'nd and Market st's in downtown Philadelphia. I practiculy live at this store. They have a very good selection. Ask for Mike, tell him that Steve Murphy sent you. ********** Subject: Midlands Rich List! Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 06:25:49 -0700 From: JCINWMENG (John Collins) Hi everyone, There was a supplement in this Sundays Mercury (Sunday newspaper for the Midlands UK) in which it had the top 100 rich list for people either living or associated with the Midlands. Jeff was at No 8 with £23 million: The 55 year old singer-songwriter and guitarist of Brummie rockers ELO and the Travelling Wilburys has amassed a huge fortune through the bands 15 chart successes and stadium tours. Bev was at No 21 with £6 million: As stickman in The Move and Electric Light Orchestra, and a short spell in Black Sabbath, 56 year old Bevan has drummed up a fortune from the music industry. He lives in Lapworth in Warwickshire, and after a spell playing with ELO2 he has recently been on the road with the Bev Bevan Band. This was in the Celebrities bit! Far cry from the main list, at No 8 there was Birmingham City Football Club owner David Sullivan whose wealth is £350 million! Soft porn obviously a more profitable business than selling records! TWILIGHT - jcelectriclightorchestra.moonfruit.com ********** Subject: Re: Midlands Rich List! Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:09:47 -0700 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" There's no mention of Roy on this list of rich folks in the Midlands. One would hope he is doing reasonably well for his fantastic contributions to the music world! Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Congratulations and Thanks Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 03:45:56 -0700 From: "Stephen Simpson" I want to congratulate Lynn Hoskins on Issue #400 of "Useless Information," the Move List Digest. I also want to thank her and each and every participant here for opening up a whole new world of musical adventure and understanding for me. When I joined this list waaaaay back in early 1999, I only knew a few "bare bones" facts about the Move and The Roy Wood Universe. While I had a rudimentary collection going, this list really kickstarted my interest and my discovery of a lot of great material. So I want to thank all of you for your insights, your humor, your patience with me, and for providing a great service. Congratulations! Stephen in Bama ********** Subject: Re: Congratulations and Thanks Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 14:27:35 -0700 From: Gmcorie Stephen, The member's of the list has open up a new world for me also. I know where you are coming from, I am just getting started have a long way to go. i Also want to give the member's a big THANK's. louisiana george ********** Subject: Re: Congratulations and Thanks Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:36:06 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Stephen Simpson wrote: >I want to congratulate Lynn Hoskins on Issue #400 of "Useless >Information," the Move List Digest. I also want to thank her and each >and every participant here for opening up a whole new world of musical >adventure and understanding for me. Stephen, it's my pleasure. :) Each issue of Useless Information is packed full of amazing insight and information from the "talk" version of the list. I learn about the music along with the rest of you. For those not familiar with the digest version, I do them by hand. That's so readers don't have to scroll through endless lines of quoted text and signature files. I'm about to bring the 2002 archives up-to-date with issue #401, so new list members can catch up on what we've been going on about here. A number of you have asked if I wouldn't mind re-posting more items from a few years ago. (Note to Joe Ramsey: I had a request to re-post some of your "funny" list posts. Which ones? They're ALL funny! ;) My list archives go back as far as October 1997, which is when I took over the list from Euan Wilson. The list was founded in September 1993 by Bruce Dumes along with a handful of very knowledgeable folks, some of whom are still subscribed. I've been contacted by a few of the "originals" who said they might have saved some of the very early postings. So, we might get lucky. In the meantime, I'll see what I can dig up. ********** Subject: Where Are They Now? - Carl Wayne Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 12:49:47 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Success! I've found the "Where Are They Now?" piece on Carl that I posted to the Move List in May, 2000. "Original anarchist band" indeed. Best wishes to Carl for a fast recovery. I bought him a "get well" card yesterday...wonder what he'll think of American greeting card humor? ;) ---- WHERE ARE THEY NOW? Carl Wayne Birmingham Evening Mail May 6, 2000 'You could say the Move were the original anarchist band, the first punks,' laughs Carl Wayne, recalling his time as lead singer with the sixties Brummie group. 'We smashed up televisions and instruments on stage and once chain-sawed a Cadillac to pieces. And can there be greater anarchy than being accused of maliciously libelling the most powerful man in Britain?' Carl, aged 57, is referring to the 1967 'Flowers in the Rain' when Move manager Tony Secunda issued a saucy postcard featuring Prime Minister Harold Wilson to promote the single. Mr Wilson sued the band - and won, meaning all the record's royalties go into a trust fund administered by the ex-PM's family. It's a situation that still rankles with Carl. 'The band had nothing to do with the stunt, it was engineered by our manager,' he says. 'It's not that I want the money back, I'd just like a say in where it goes. I run marathons to raise money for Leukemia research so I'd like my share of the royalties to go to a cancer charity.' Carl is even planning to write a book, 'Unfinished Business', about the incident - but he currently has more pressing matters to attend to. He has recently agreed to join the Hollies and hopes to help them find new markets, particularly in America. 'I think the Hollies could appeal to country music fans,' he asserts. 'I agreed to join them because they still attract an audience in their own right, they don't go around as part of a nostalgia package tour.' Joining the Hollies is just the latest stage in Castle Bromwich-born Carl's career which has embraced the West End stage, television commercials and variety shows. He initially hit the big time with the Move, alongside Roy Wood, Chris 'Ace' Kefford, Trevor Burton and Bev Bevan. In 1967 there were three hit singles in the UK, Night of Fear, I Can Hear The Grass Grow and Flowers in the Rain. The following year saw further success with Fire Brigade and Blackberry Way but the group began to fall apart with the departures of Kefford and Burton. Following the single Curly in 1969 Carl also left to pursue a solo career. There were numerous appearances and for six years he starred in the West End play Blood Brothers, taking the role of the narrator. Lucrative sideline There was also a lucrative sideline with television commercials. 'I record songs for them,' he explains. 'Many of the most well known adverts on television feature my vocals. 'When I was working with Blood Brothers I was able to tape the songs during the day then appear on stage at night. A very satisfactory arrangement!' Carl married actress Sue Hanson - Diane in Crossroads - in 1974 and their son Jack is now 15 years old. His days with the Move still loom large in his life, particularly as the band's material continues to be re-issued. 'I've had a tape in my house for 30 years and it turns out to be a live Move performance at the Fillmore in 1969,' Carl says. 'We believe it's the only complete Move concert tape in existence so we're looking to release it later this year.' Also planned is the release of a Carl Wayne solo album featuring Roy Wood material, recorded when Carl left the Move, and a BBC sessions CD. With a Hollies tour and album in the pipeline Carl has never been busier. Not bad for the original Birmingham punk! © Copyright 2000 Mirror Regional Newspapers ********** Subject: Re: Where Are They Now? - Carl Wayne Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:00:49 -0700 From: kakman1 >Also planned is the release of a Carl Wayne solo album featuring Roy >Wood material, recorded when Carl left the Move, and a BBC sessions >CD. My Goodness! How far down the pike is that new Carl Wayne album and the BBC sessions album? Best wishes to Carl and speedy recovery, too. My Dad had this disorder, too and it does make your life most unpleasant, but the new operation/procedure is supposed to be a great improvement over old treatment. Carl ought to be right as rain in about two or three months (may be a few kilos lighter, too!) Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: Where Are They Now? - Carl Wayne Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:42:12 -0700 From: Rob Caiger Kevin wrote: > My Goodness! How far down the pike is that new Carl Wayne album and > the BBC sessions album? Everything's on hold until at least March 2003. We need Carl fit first - His leadership and negotiation on behalf of all The Move members is vital for these various projects to happen. Best - Rob ********** Subject: Re: The complete MOVE video list Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 23:43:27 -0700 From: Alfred Masciocchi Several years ago there was a move (pun intended) to produce such a compilation video for distribution to the list. Did this ever come to anything? I had thrown my name into the pool but never heard anything. ********** Subject: Move On Video Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 14:27:30 -0700 From: merrlynne Hi Fellow Fans, I have a great Move Video Compilation, most of the Clips are good quality. However, I am after a better Copy of Flowers In The Rain (Promo), mine's very fuzzy. Also the complete Jazz Bilzen Set, I only have the end of Sunshine Help Me. Does anyone out there have Tonight from Top Of The Pops, Wave The Flag And Stop The Train from Beatclub and any Performance of Brontosaurus? Plus the Bev and Roy Clip from UK TV in 1983? I am after these. I have everything else that Patrick Guttenbarger mentioned in his Video List. Patrick, the track on Colour Me Pop that you called Magic Carpet Ride, is actually called Goin' Back. I love watching The Move! They were fantastic Performers who made their Stage shine!! Falling Forever! Shaz-am!! Plymouth, England. ********** Subject: Re: Move On Video Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 12:15:44 -0700 From: Guttpat (Patrik Guttenbacher) schreibt merrlynne: > anyone out there have Tonight from Top Of The Pops, Wave The > Flag And Stop The Train from Beatclub and any Performance of > Brontosaurus? Brontosaurus from BeatClub wasn't broadcasted, it's still unreleased. I never heard of that they had done Wave The Flag... at the Beatclub too. If they did, it has never broadcasted too. ********** Subject: Re: Move On Video Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:42:05 -0700 From: Rob Caiger > Brontosaurus from BeatClub wasn't broadcasted, it's still unreleased. It's also live and an incredible performance. I didn't find any performance of Wave The Flag And Stop The Train in the archives. Rob ********** Subject: Hard to find Move or Roy CD's Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:08:40 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins George wrote: >I've been trying to get my hand's on any of THE MOVE or ROY's cd's. hard >to find. been away from music for a few year's. not jail or any thing >of the sort... If it had been jail, there's a great Wizzard track I could recommend for inspiration... ;) For George or anyone else who's having trouble finding any Move or Roy Wood CD's... we love a good challenge. There's nothing that can't be found. Feel free to post your "needs" to the list. Also, keep in mind that it really does pay to do online comparison shopping. For instance, say you're after Roy Wood's "Exotic Mixture" collection on the German Repertoire label. Amazon.com has it for $27.99 USD. CDNow is having a 25% off imports sale, so they've got it for $22.49 USD. (These prices don't include shipping.) Or, if you're like me, you'll delve into the nooks and crannies of the Web (i.e. indie record shops) and find it for even less. (And every now and then someone will be selling a used copy of what you need on eBay.) There are a lot of people on this list who live near great "mom & pop" record shops that carry The Move, Roy Wood, and related. If you let the list know what you're looking for, whether CD or vinyl, we can keep an eye out for you. ********** Subject: Song Of The Week: "Songs Of Praise" Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:57:11 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Song Of The Week: October 14, 2002 "Songs Of Praise" from the album "Boulders" Possible discussion topics: Vocals Lyrics Instrumentation Songwriting Arrangement Production Personal interpretation Strong/weak points *********************** "Songs Of Praise" (R. Wood) I just wrote a gospel Feelin' mighty good today I'm gonna find some friends Come and help me sing Sing this song of praise *Gather round me brothers See how many we can raise Call upon your sisters Sing about the song of praise **The good book's had its day, you think They don't write about it no more The only thing left to do is sing Singin' the songs of the Lord *(Repeat) All you birds gonna leave so soon Fly to the ends of the earth Quick, rehearse before you go You could be spreadin' the word *(Repeat) As long as you believe You must believe Capture every word I say As long as you believe, I believe Yes I do believe Really gonna make it great **(Repeat) *(Repeat) Do do do do, do do do do Sing about the song of praise © Copyright 1973 Roy Wood [Lyrics courtesy Shawn Rush, taken from the Japanese liner notes.] ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Songs Of Praise" Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:00:52 -0700 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" This delightful Woody tune came out at the height of the "Jesus movement" in the early 70's when it was fashionable for popular artists to do a song about the Lord. An interesting fact is that Larry Norman, considered to be the originator of what is now known as Christian rock music, went to England in 1972 to to record his "Only Visiting This Planet" album with George Martin producing and... guess what....? He used Wizzard's Keith Smart and Bob Brady as part of his back up band! One has to wonder if Larry met Roy during the sessions and influenced the writing of this great song. At the time, I was not a believer but loved the song anyway. Now as a believer, of course, it has more meaning for me. I have tried for years to figure out the chord changes on this song and it just seems to be one of those unique chord progressions Roy does so well that's tough for us "laymen" to do. This was issued as a single here in the USA but did not chart. Was it a single in the UK as well? Over here, "Dear Elaine" was the "B" side, which in the UK was a major hit for Roy. Was "Songs Of Praise" the "B" side over there? As for the lyrics Lynn posted, I always thought the last line of the bridge was "Really gonna make the grade". In my humble opinion, this is one of Roy's finest efforts. Wizzards, Tyler End of Useless Information #401 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]