[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #404 October 21, 2002 In this issue: * Sheet music, Songs Of Praise, and other things * Eurovision * California Man by Union (cont.) * Cards for Carl * Roy Wood's Army to perform at 2003 Americana International * 48 licks...crash! * Sheet music & cover versions * Cover versions & Christmas is coming * Move On Video (cont.) * Boulders v. ELO/Move/Wizzard * Brum is UK's 4th musical city (cont.) * Tell us the news about yourself... ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html Join the ELO List: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/showdown.html Other official websites: The Move: http://www.themoveonline.com Roy Wood: http://www.roywood.co.uk Face The Music (for all ELO & related news): http://www.ftmusic.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Sheet music, Songs Of Praise, and other things Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:40:45 -0700 From: Neil Pickford Firstly, belated congratulations on posting Useless Information #400 last week - a true labour of love which I for one (and many others, I'm sure) thoroughly appreciate. Looking forward to #500 (and all those in between) Sheet music - I have a (photocopy) of Blackberry Way, but I have originals of Brontosaurus and California Man, plus Dear Elaine, Forever and Goin' Down the Road, plus Ball Park Incident, See My Baby Jive, Angel Fingers, I wish it could be Christmas, Rocvk 'n' Roll Winter and This is the Story of my Love. And I've got a scanner. If you could use any of the above just let me know. Song of the Week - Songs of Praise. I remember this as being Roy's attempt to become the British entry to the Eurovision song contest - unless too much cider has scrambled my brain - in 1972 or thereabouts. The format in those days was that an artist was selected by the great and good at the BBC, then six songs were short listed, sung on successive weeks on a Saturday night programme entertainment programme fronted by someone like Cilla Black, Lulu or Dusty Springfield and then the viewers voted which of the six should be the official entry. The group that year were the New Seekers - they did a very fair version of the song but the Great British public voted it something like number 5 out of 6. On the final night when all six were sung together the composers of each entry were in the audience - all clean-shaved, career Tin Pan Alley chaps and chapesses who stood up in turn when their song was announced/had been sung. Then up popped this very hairy individual when Songs of Praise was announced/had been sung. You could feel all the maiden aunties and grannies dropping their false teeth into their hot chocolate in shock. When the disgraceful result was announced each of the losing Tin Pan Alley-ists gave an Oscar-winning smile of "bravery in defeat" to the camera and clapped their opponents. Roy just shrugged with a sort of 'Hey Ho' gesture - Again, if ancient memory cells serve me correctly, the New Seekers actually recorded Songs of Praise for one of their albums - and did at least one more Woody track as well. However, I can't remember what they hell they sang at the actual contest - or how well it did. C'mon - I'm not THAT sad. (To American readers, the Eurovision Song Contest was, and continues to be, a European-wide tribute to musical mediocrity with the occasional flash of "so-bad-it's-good" moments and the even more rare good song. It's a strange phenomenon) Boulders to it I say - from Neil Pickford ********** Subject: Eurovision Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:28:59 -0700 From: kakman1 Neil P: >Again, if ancient memory cells serve me correctly, the New Seekers >actually recorded Songs of Praise for one of their albums - and did >at least one more Woody track as well. However, I can't remember what >they hell they sang at the actual contest - or how well it did. C'mon >- I'm not THAT sad. I think the other tune the New Seekers did was "Blackberry Way". Question: Didn't Carl sing for Britain once in the Eurovision Song Contest? Don't stone me; I actually like some recordings by the New Seekers (Hey, at least they weren't Starland Vocal Band!) Kevin Kunreuther Dalllas TX ********** Subject: Re: Eurovision Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:26:53 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Kevin wrote: >Question: Didn't Carl sing for Britain once in the Eurovision Song >Contest? Carl's recording of the song "A Little Give, A Little Take" (written by Greenaway/Macaulay) was entered in the BBC's Song For Europe contest, 1977. It didn't win, unfortunately. (The Song for Europe winner then goes on to represent the UK at the next Eurovision Song Contest, FYI.) The SFE winner that year was "Rock Bottom," written and performed by Lynsey de Paul and Mike Moran. And as we were talking about "Songs Of Praise," the New Seekers' version was a Eurovision candidate in 1972. It came in 6th out of 6. ********** Subject: Re: California Man by Union Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:21:47 -0700 From: VJOHN307 ...not as regular a poster to this sterling service as I should be but.... Re: Roy Cooke and "Has anyone heard or got a copy of Californian Man by Union off the Cheap Trick tribute cd" I've never heard of this one, but is this Union the same as the North American band fronted by Randy Bachman in 1981? If so, and you have access to a copy of 'On Strike' (Portrait/Epic PRT 85121, 1981), check out track 2 'Next Stop London', which sounds like it could almost be a Roy Wood song from the debut Move album - with uncannily Carl Wayne-like vocals. In fact the whole album is damn good. Don't think it's ever reappeared on CD, sadly, as my copy is a gold-stamped demo/promo which jumps appallingly at the start on both sides! John Van der Kiste (Lynn - thanks for sending me out these, brilliant stuff!) ********** Subject: Cards for Carl Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 02:37:51 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Re-posting the address (for those who misplaced it) where you can send "get well" cards for Carl... Carl Wayne c/o Face The Music P.O. Box 718 Esher Surrey KT10 0YF UNITED KINGDOM Rob will hand-deliver your card. It will be just what the doctor ordered. ********** Subject: Roy Wood's Army to perform at 2003 Americana International Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 03:41:51 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins No one can accuse the Move List of not giving you enough advance notice. ;) Roy Wood's Army will be the closing act at the massive Americana International festival on Sunday July 13th, 2003. The Army are scheduled to go on the main stage around 7pm. An exciting finish to probably the best weekend of 50/60/70's 'live' music by some of the popular stars of days gone by... (Suzi Quatro is among the performers, by the way!) The festival takes place July 11-13 at The County Showground, Winthorpe Nr. Newark Upon Trent, Nottinghamshire, UK. Americana International, "The Heartbeat Of The USA In The UK," attracted over 48,000 visitors this year. They anticipate breaking that number by at least 5,000 in 2003 due to the wide variety of music styles scheduled for over the three main days... Tickets are just £15 ($22) per day. On-site camping cost £10 per unit from the Friday onwards. All the details can be found at http://www.americana-promotions.co.uk/. ********** Subject: Re: Roy Wood's Army to perform at 2003 Americana International Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:24:26 -0700 From: Rob Caiger > All the details can be found at http://www.americana-promotions.co.uk/. ROY WOOD'S ARMY (Ex-Move/ELO/Wizard with over 35 million record sales and numerous chart hits) Sadly, I don't think so... Where are they getting there information from. I notice Suzi Quatro (interestingly, the headliner) has done an incredible 45 million sales, according to the website.... ********** Subject: Re: Roy Wood's Army to perform at 2003 Americana International Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:47:08 -0700 From: gweatherby Rob Caiger wrote: > Sadly, I don't think so... Where are they getting there information > from. I notice Suzi Quatro (interestingly, the headliner) has done an > incredible 45 million sales, according to the website.... C'mon Rob, she shifted quite a few pieces of "Can The Can"!! Greg living down Devil Gate Drive ********** Subject: Re: Roy Wood's Army to perform at 2003 Americana International Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:26:54 -0700 From: "Martin Kinch" Rob said : >I notice Suzi Quatro (interestingly, the headliner) has done an >incredible 45 million sales, With respect to Suzi and her fans, I must say I'm very surprised that Roy is doing this gig if Suzi is being advertised as the headliner. ********** Subject: Re: Roy Wood's Army to perform at 2003 Americana International Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:37:37 -0700 From: Silvereagleuk Suzi is headlining on the Friday (first day of the festival) Roy is headlining on the Sunday (closing the festival)... The Americana International festival has been running successfully for twenty-two years and there is not another music/auto related event that can begin to compare with it anywhere... All the artists have raved about it and I'm not just talking artists from the UK, there has been over 75 from the USA alone that have been on it over the last ten years... Chris R Jackson (Promoter) ********** Subject: 48 licks...crash! Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:46:40 -0700 From: Plastic Ono Dream martin "the living saint" kinch wrote: "with all due respect to suzie quatro..." "suzie quatro" ? "48 crash" was her only hit here in america right? then she was "leather tuscadero" in the "happy days" tv show. see the '70's weren't all fun! the last time i saw "suzi quatro" was on the "absolutely fabulous" tv series a few years ago. does she still record? i think "woody" was better off with "the wombles", they were cuter! ********** Subject: Re: 48 licks...crash! Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:07:07 -0700 From: Silvereagleuk Hi Martin & Rob, for your information Suzi had numerous top twenty hits in the UK & Europe, she was virtually unknown in the USA. Like many other Americans who have worked their butts off over there, with little or no success or acknowledgement for their talent. So quite a few came over to the UK and hit gold, sadly that's the music industry worldwide. Here are just a few of her big hits, Can The Can, 48 Crash, Devil Gate Drive, The Wild One, Born To Run, Make Me Smile, If You Can't Give Me Love, The Race Is On She's In Love With You plus several others... Currently she is touring the UK to sold out shows, and host BBC Radio Two's Rock'n'Roll Show (Thursday nights) which she shares several months with top R'n'R dj Mark Lamar. As an aside for those who have not visited the Americana International web site, the event/festival the music we feature is predominently American music, covering mainly rock'n'roll. soft rock, country, rockabilly, cajun. Which is probably the reason why its been going for over twenty-two years and has a trouble & theft free record. It has an unbelievable happy-go-lucky atmosphere, that it's often said if we could 'bottle it up. we'd make a million..... Our demographic age group spans from 30-55+ another good reason why we don't have problems, they are all mostly adults.... Its not to say we don't get youngsters, we do, but we just don't get the problems that are sadly usually associated with under twenty-ones.. I hope this info paints a clearer picture for you.......Chris PS. I think the move-list is excellent and did not realise our Brummie stars were so well known over there, after all these years. ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Songs Of Praise" Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:23:24 -0700 From: Richard Messum Hi Tyler / Hi all ~ Oh, i agree completely that the use of speeded-up voices doesn't negate the song's brilliance, but i do find them distracting. A personal prejudice, i suppose. Sure, i've heard of Emmitt Rhodes: i used to have LP's (now long-lost, alas) by him both solo and with his group The Merry-Go-Round ("You're a very lovely woman" was a big hit in '67). I think that all i have now is the one song by the M-G-R on the first "Nuggets" box, and a charming solo number called "Pardon me" on a very old, home-made compilation tape. I didn't realise he played all the instruments, though. ********** Subject: Sheet music & cover versions Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:20:00 -0700 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Alas, I have no sheet music (sniff....)... For the record, I have in my collection by The New Seekers "Tonight" (on LP & promo 45), "Songs Of Praise" (on cassette), and "Blackberry Way" (on LP). An interesting topic might be to find out what unusual cover versions of Roy's song various list members have in their collections. I'll begin with a promo 45 of "See My Baby Jive" by Flash Cadillac & The Continental Kids. It never saw general release as the label, Private Stock, went bankrupt before it could be issued. Not to mention Nancy Sinatra's version of "Flowers In The Rain"...OK, I won't mention it. Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Sheet music & cover versions Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:11:30 -0700 From: PrimoChuck I was curious about this cover version (I assume it's Roy Wood's song, sometimes All Music.com has some inaccuracies) that is mentioned on All Music.com It's on a CD called Christmas Wishes (Telstar) I Wish it Could be Christmas Everyday performed by Elton John http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=SEARCH&sql=A68rc287t058a has anyone heard this? Is it a cover of the Wizzard song? Charlie Long Beach, CA ********** Subject: Re: Sheet music & cover versions Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:29:05 -0700 From: "Richard Kenworthy" Try "Step into Christmas" recorded by Elton John and also released Christmas 1973. ********** Subject: Cover versions & Christmas is coming Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:27:35 -0700 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Charlie and all, Never heard it, was not aware of it till now. I'm gonna have to check it out. Thanks for wising us up to it's existence. It must be Roy's song, what are the chances of Elton John writing a Christmas song by the same title? It would be like someone here in the states writing "White Christmas" as a completely different song with the same title. I mentioned this a while ago but with Christmas lurking around the corner I thought it would be worth repeating and providing details for anyone on the list who may want to check it out. About 8 years ago a CD came out titled "A Live Christmas Extravaganza". It was recorded at the Stone Pony in Asbury Park NJ and featured some cult artists, such as Marshall Crenshaw, Glen Burtnik, Tommy Conwell, et al, doing their favorite Christmas songs. One of the artists was Lenny Kaye who, for the initiated, is a singer /guitarist/songwriter/producer who lives in New Brunswick NJ. His main claim to fame is as Patti Smith's producer and as a respected rock archivist. He is also a huge Roy Wood fan. On this CD he does very cool cover of "I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday". It is well worth seeking out. I don't know if it is currently in print or not but there is an address on the back the CD, as follows: Deko Music, 200 Van Buren Ave, Teaneck, NJ 07666. Sales of the CD were for the benefit of NJ food banks. Happy hunting... Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: Cover versions & Christmas is coming Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:48:04 -0700 From: kakman1 Tyler wrote: >One of the artists was Lenny Kaye who, for the initiated, is a singer >/guitarist/songwriter/producer who lives in New Brunswick NJ. Just have to mention that Lenny Kaye is the fellow who compiled the original "Nuggets" double LP for Elektra back in the early seventies. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: Move on Video Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:28:35 -0700 From: Byron Dandy There is also a beautiful black and white clip of the promotional film for 'I Can Hear The Grass Grow', taken from a 35mm film and featuring all band members including Ace. In it, the band is stalked and attacked by a bunch of fans who sneak up on them as they enjoy a get together in the countryside. Some of the guys have their clothes torn off them and the whole thing is quite well filmed. Aside from its extreme rarity, this clip is important as on the day it was filmed it was apparently the one and only time Carl Wayne took a LSD trip. ********** Subject: Re: Move On Video Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:45:59 -0700 From: gweatherby > Beat Beat Beat and Beat Club, are German TV-shows, at Beat Beat Beat > (Beat Club predecessor) they did > > Night Of Fear, > I Can Hear The Grass Grow > Walk Upon The Water (ie. Walk ON The Water) > > Could it be that you mixed Walk Upon with Wave The Flag????? I must have been been able to hear the grass grow when I typed up my original post because, you are correct. It's not "Wave The Flag", it's "Walk Upon The Water", and it's Beat Beat Beat. Just watched the tape again for the first time in a while. Definitely know they were German shows, though. I used to watch Beat Club when it was on originally in Germany. Never saw Beat Beat Beat tho. ********** Subject: Boulders v. ELO/Move/Wizzard Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:22:35 -0700 From: Poisongold (MJC) Kevin Kunreuther writes: >It is Roy's solo album and there shouldn't be any link, per se, to any >thing Move because it is supposed to be his own personal statement, >blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada, woof, woof, woof, but that is a >tall order considering Roy's contributions to and presence to all >stages of the Move and early ELO. A tall order indeed, especially in light of the fact that Roy played "Dear Elaine" at ELO concerts. Considering that "Boulders" hadn't yet been released, I wonder if Roy intended to include "Dear Elaine" on ELO II? ********** Subject: Re: Brum is UK's 4th musical city Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:43:41 -0700 From: "Dale G. Leopold" Joe Doyle wrote: >I believe that 60's bands Freddie and the Dreamers and Herman's >Hermit's were from Manchester, that must have swayed the vote over >such no name bands like Led Zeppelin that were left out of the Brum >bands listed in the article.... :) Coincidentally, I was looking through the official Richard Thompson website this morning (what! You didn't get the memo? http://www.richardthompson-music.com ) when I came across this little tidbit from RT himself (who, of course, has played with Roy's Big Band at Cropredy, as related elsewhere on the list...): "Our occasional child-minder, Mavis (...) hails from Macclesfield, not too far from Manchester if memory serves, and she is good for a laugh, and good for a bit of gossip. I asked her if she remembered Macclesfield's own 60s chart band, The Purple Gang, but she gave me a patronizing and deeply pitying look, communicating disdain and disinterest in all things musically Mancunian prior to Joy Division." So there you have it! BTW Richard's quite a witty diarist, as one might expect. Dale in Richmond, VA ********** Subject: Re: Tell us the news about yourself... Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:49:59 -0700 From: JAMESMDUCK Hello, My name is Jim Duckworth, I live in Memphis TN where I teach in a public school. My first Move related experience was seeing Electric Light Orchestra touring on the strength of their first record. My favorite Move tracks would include Fire Brigade, I Can Hear the Grass Grow, Message From the Country, Ella James, and Do Ya. I've been aware of the Move since shortly after California Man was released and it will therefore come as no surprise that the expanded Message From the Country record is my favorite. I've found being a Move fan to be a somewhat socially unfulfilling experience as I know only one other local Move fan. It seems to me that the Move are unfairly underrated all around: just yesterday I thumbed through a copy of the MusicHound's guide to rock and found that the highest rating given a Move record was 3 and 1/2 out of 5 whereas other lesser groups were awarded 5's somewhat promiscuously. My other favorites would include Duke Ellington, Mozart, John Coltrane, Jerry Lee Lewis, Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, the Master Musicians of Joujuka, and Son House in addition to a welter of other artists. Truly glad to have found this discussion group, Jim Duckworth Memphis, TN ********** Subject: Re: Tell us the news about yourself... Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 02:20:08 -0700 From: "Rick Weise" > Your name, age, location, occupation. Rick Weise 53 North Carolina Management > How long have you been a Move and/or Roy Wood fan? 1970 > What was your first Move related experience? Reading a review of Shazam in Rolling Stone which prompted me to buy it. > Tell us about your top 5 favorite Move related tracks. Do Ya Hello Suzie Cherry Blossom Clinic Revisited Flowers in the Rain See my Baby Jive > What's your favorite Move related album, and why? Shazam - There have only been 4 or 5 albums ever released that might be better > If you've seen the Move or any member of the Move in concert, tell us > about that show. Roy Wood and Wizzard in Detroit in the 70's supporting Kiss. ELO in Cleveland in the 70's with Deep Purple and the Beach Boys as I remember. Drove 200 miles with no tickets to see Roy Wood and then left before KISS completed 3 songs > Who are some of your other favorite artists/bands? Beatles, Bruce Springsteen, Curt Boettcher, Jimi Hendrix, Velvet Underground > Are you having trouble finding any Move related music on CD? No more than any one else. If it is commercially available then I'll find a way to locate it. 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