[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #433 January 4, 2003 In this issue: * Wizzo Band on BBC's "Dream Ticket" * Roy Wood on BBC Radio special * Obtaining Early Move * Bobby Rydell and the Move * More "Flowers In The Rain" feedback * Song Of The Week (week of 12/30): "Sing Out The Old...Bring In The New" * Merry Christmas! A Move List exclusive! (cont.) ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Wizzo Band on BBC's "Dream Ticket" Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 09:42:50 -0800 From: george mackenzie http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/bbcsessions/dream_ticket.shtml Here's something that may interest you. Excerpts from their 1977 Paris Theatre Wizzo Band concert will be broadcast tomorrow (Sunday). ********** Subject: Re: Wizzo Band on BBC's "Dream Ticket" Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 12:29:17 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" The Wizzo Band played in Paris? Huh? I thought they did the "Sight & Sound" program and that was it!?! Puzzled, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: Wizzo Band on BBC's "Dream Ticket" Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 12:29:35 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins >The Wizzo Band played in Paris? Huh? I thought they did the "Sight & Sound" >program and that was it!?! This is what the BBC website says: http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/bbcsessions/dream_ticket.shtml Sunday 05 January Defining live performances from Jeff Beck, Paul Weller, Roy Wood, The Cranberries and topping the bill Reef recorded at UEA Norwich in 1998. And then further down... FULL LINE UP Jeff Beck BBC Paris Theatre 1972 Paul Weller BBC Radio Theatre 2000 Roy Wood's Wizzo Band BBC Paris Theatre 1977 The Cranberries London Astoria 1994 Reef UEA, Norwich 1998 ********** Subject: Re: Wizzo Band on BBC's "Dream Ticket" Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:29:58 -0800 From: "Mike Holden" >The Wizzo Band played in Paris? Huh? I thought they did the "Sight & >Sound" program and that was it!?! The BBC's Paris Theatre, in London! Presumably the same as the Sight & Sound! ********** Subject: Re: Wizzo Band on BBC's "Dream Ticket" Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:30:26 -0800 From: "richardkenworthy" I think that you will find that Paris is the name of the Theatre, not its location, which I believe was London. Seeing as there only was one BBC in concert recording of the Wizzo Band the Sight and Sound one. This must be it. I wonder what they would have made of French perfume, if the RWWB had played in Paris. As Roy did say at the time... " a bit of french in 'ere mate!" PS. Check out the broadcast on Jan 1st as well for another track. ********** Subject: Re: Wizzo Band on BBC's "Dream Ticket" Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:26:38 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" > The Wizzo Band played in Paris? Huh? I thought they did the "Sight & > Sound" program and that was it!?! That is right Tyler, i was going to see them at birmingham and it got cancelled because Roy was ill, the band folded then. No more shows? This was 1977 i was just about to finish school and start working. My brother and me were very upset the concert for Brum got cancelled. It all went downhill for Roy after that. He never seemed to get a band of that quality on the road after that which is a shame. It was a great show, the tape i did died 5 years ago. I would love to see/hear it again. Please Rob a DVD or CD. ********** Subject: Roy Wood on BBC Radio special Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 09:43:01 -0800 From: David Gofstein Hi List: I was listening to a BBC2 special on Little Richard yesterday (via the internet, I'm in the USA and my antenna ain't that strong!). It's on the occasion of Richard's 70th birthday. Anyway, among the folks with comments and memories are both Roy Wood and Bev Bevan! Check it out for yourselves at the BBC site (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/). You can listen to tons of shows. This one is archived for a few weeks. I find that every time I go to the page I click around and find something else cool to listen to. A Wop Bop A Loo Bop A Womp Bam Boo, Dave G ********** Subject: Obtaining Early Move Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:45:08 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Gregg wrote: >Although it is unfortunate how everything unfolded with the lawsuit and >such, I still have never heard either song... First, thank you to those who have taken the time to give opinions. The comments you post are VERY helpful (moreso than you realize) and I hope you'll keep them coming. Gregg, it's a crime that you haven't heard any early Move. But I know there are many on this list in the same boat, so can I make a suggestion? "THE MOVE - Hits & Rarities Singles A's & B's" (REP 4665-WR) 2CD CD1: Night Of Fear / Disturbance / I Can Hear The Grass Grow / Wave The Flag And Stop The Train / Flowers In The Rain / (Here We Go Round) The Lemon Tree / Cherry Blossom Clinic / Vote For Me / Fire Brigade / Walk Upon The Water / Wild Tiger Woman / Omnibus / Blackberry Way / Something / Yellow Rainbow / Curly / This Time Tomorrow / Brontosaurus / Lightning Never Strikes Twice / Something (Italian version) CD2: When Alice Comes Back To The Farm / What? / Kilroy Was Here / Turkish Tram Conductor Blues / Beautiful Daughter / Ella James / No Time / Tonight / Don't Mess Me Up / My Marge / Chinatown / Down On The Bay / California Man / Do Ya / So You Want To Be A Rock'n'Roll Star / Stephanie Knows Who / Something Else / It'll Be Me / Sunshine Help Me / Useless Information The sound on this 2CD is clear and crisp. A real delight to listen to. It's doing a good job of making me happy until the fully remastered stuff starts coming out. You can order it from Amazon.com for $27.99 (free shipping). Or, you can save yourself a few dollars and order it from Amazon.co.uk. The price (including shipping) is £14.14, or around $22.75. Amazon.co.uk is pretty well stocked with Move & Roy Wood product, if anyone's interested. Beware of a few that suffer from terrible production, such as Roy Wood & Wizzard Archive (Rialto). If in doubt, please feel free to ask me, or the list. P.S. If there's anything you're looking for but you're not sure where to find it, please ask! ********** Subject: Bobby Rydell and the Move Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:16:10 -0800 From: "Greg Weatherby" John DeSilva wrote: > My secret wish would be that the royalty deal could be restructured > so that it only applied to all past versions of the songs, but any > newly recorded versions would be exempt. THEN we get the original > boys back into the studio to record 2003 versions of these classics > (much like what Jeff did with "Xanadu" on "Flashback") ... It would probably be awesome, but it puts me in the mind of those horrible CDs by the likes of Bobby Rydell, re-doing his hits. "Volare" is not in the same league (putting it mildly) as "Flowers In The Rain", but it smacks of desperation. Though one of my other fave raves, the Creation, have re-recorded "Making Time" several times over the past 20 years or so, and each has been a charmer, though they put a modern stamp on it. So maybe it would work. ********** Subject: Re: Flowers debate Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 12:02:32 -0800 From: "Paul Watkins" Having read all the postings so far the debate would seem to be 50/50. If Flowers/Lemon Tree were to be 'withdrawn' this would I assume be FOREVER. :) Not just for the forthcoming compilation. This would mean NO 'official' re-master version, NO re-mixes, NO alternate version. And there would be little point in issuing the 'Original albums' without the inclusion of Flowers and the Lemon Tree, so that would spoil the new releases planned for 2003/4. On the other hand there is a need to address the royalty issue. Roy and the band were certainly done an injustice over the postcard and the answer would seem to be some sort of legal action over the judgement. To ban further use of these tracks would be detrimental to the fans and new fans that come along in the future, and as far as I can see a pointless exercise as there would have to be a total ban on licensing and playing on (radio, tv, concerts etc...) of both tracks. If this release was treated as a one-off (just banned for this release) it would need maximum publicity in the press, radio and TV to achieve its goal. By the way Rob, do we know exactly where the money is currently going? , after all the band don't want to look bad in the press for taking money off charities. We all know that Roy should have the money but you know what the British Press is like for twisting the facts!! ********** Subject: Re: Your feedback needed Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:20:45 -0800 From: "Tami Moyer" I say GO FOR IT!!! Why should Harold Wilson's heirs get royalties from something that they themselves nor Mr. Wilson himself was even involved in. I think the royalties should go to the band and thus the idea is a superb one. Yours Truely Tami ********** Subject: Flowers in the Rain/Wilson issue Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:09:40 -0800 From: David Friedman I think Rob's idea is fantastic and should be pursued without question as an act of support and solidarity for the writer of these songs, Roy Wood. Lets face it ... the bulk of the buyers of any Move compilation are going to be fans and completists. It would be in everyone's wildest dreams for this compilation to be THE compilation to "bring them back" after scores of other comps have dotted the planet. And contrary to Kevin's statement, I believe any press is GOOD press ... let new and old fans, the press, rock journalists, etc. know that the omission of Flowers and Lemon Tree is in defense of that very beloved artists livelihood. I believe that the list should collective remove their A&R caps and truly support the ARTIST and their REPERTOIRE. DAVID FRIEDMAN Arista Nashville/RCA Label Group ********** Subject: Flowers in the Brain Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 22:12:06 -0800 From: "Stephen Simpson" I've been following the discussion about "Flowers in the Rain" and compilation CD releases, but I readily confess that I am no expert on the subject. Roy and the band should have the final say, as far as I am concerned. Historically speaking, "Flowers in the Rain" and "Lemon Tree" are important Move tracks, but if they were omitted from a compilation, I would understand...in fact, perhaps if they were omitted, then an explanation about the whole sordid, sorry history of how the band was robbed could be included, along with an address of where to send angry mail...preferably someone's private residence! ;) In the meantime, what would be really cool is if Roy and the band could re-unite to record some special tracks for any new compilation CD. You know what they say, "When life gives you lemons, make lemonade." ********** Subject: Re: Flowers in the Brain Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:33:51 -0800 From: "andrew torok" seasonal greetings, as fitr was released back in 1967? and all royalies were given to charity. could roy today appeal against that decision and from any future sales (from2003). roy and the rest of the band could now be entitled to "some dosh". i mean roy has been punished and it has been 35 years since the incident. and he was inocent after all. and finally if he could get out of that clause then howabout a new version of that track done especially for any future greatest hits cds that may be planned. there you have it andrew ********** Subject: Re: Flowers in the Rain Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:02:39 -0800 From: "Hoskins, Phil G" Rob said: >How would everyone feel if we listed "Flowers In The Rain" and "(Here >We go Round) The Lemon Tree" on all future compilations (hopefully only >two more) but crossed them through and didn't have them on the actual >CD? Basically banning the tracks from ever being put out so the Wilson >trustees are prevented from earning any further money off the band? > >We would then make remastered (plus remixed) versions available for free >download from the website. > >Thoughts, opinions? Reading the responses from the list I agree that the time has now come to make a stand. For pities sake, FITR was a single 35 odd years ago - you could have done 2 life sentences in jail and be on your third stretch by now!! Think what the band has lost in funds in that time especially as it was the first single on Radio 1 and is one of the most played Move tracks on national BBC radio. Go for 'Vote for me' and CBC' as the alternative tracks and make a note on the CD sleeve that there are some surprise free tracks at a predetermined website. At least the punters would hear the remastered versions from the website and the lads would get their true dues from the tracks on the CD. Cheers PHIL ********** Subject: Re: Flowers debate Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:05:49 -0800 From: "Donahue, Roger Alan" I fully support removing Flowers and Lemon Tree from future compilations, but wouldn't want them removed from reissues of the 1st album. I think listing them crossed out, with an explanation, is a great idea. I'd also support a decision the band came to, regardless of what that may be. I have both songs on several different releases/formats, so it's easy for me to deal with. New fans may definitely have a different opinion... ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Sing Out The Old...Bring In The New" Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 12:03:10 -0800 From: "Chris @ Kickphoto" Mail one 'A Dingle Bell Shylock from the old Wizzard' wrote one of the UK music papers upon the release of this cool yule tune. Too bad that the quote was lifted from the single paragraph this number apparently warranted in a review of that week's releases. This was of course released in the Helicopters touring period when Roy tried to pick-up again after a relatively inactive time and was typical in being backed by abysmal marketing. I think SOTO...BITN was originally released in 1981 and I can remember hearing it just the once on national radio. A second release with 'biffed-up drums' followed a few years later (together with 12" version b/w instrumental and 'sing a long' cringe version if memory serves) but this received similar scant publicity. I can remember thinking at the time "what's the point in releasing songs if nobody is made aware you've done it". Maybe I was a bit 'slow' on this but it was the first time I thought about the way the music biz runs as up until then I had assumed that the best songs would always get to be top of the pops and that everything was fair in the world. Oh to be so innocent and naive again...... Roy sings: "Sing out the old...bring in the new, I'll search for gold and I'll share it all with you" Yes Roy, and thanks very much mate. It was lucky I came across your fab song by chance in my record store. I have always interpreted the 'gold' that Roy was searching for here as being a 'gold disc' for lots of record sales - not much chance of that. Roy continues: "Let's dance around the Christmas tree, Next year we're still making Rock'n'Roll history" Nice idea Roy, but my comments are as above. A great big 0/10 to your publicity machine / donkey of the day. Good grief...bleating already and the New Year is yet a day old! Chris (Wales) ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Sing Out The Old...Bring In The New" Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 12:03:20 -0800 From: "Chris @ Kickphoto" Mail two ...........and another thing: Roy sings: "Ever since Angela gave me a sax" Who is Angela? And this line too: "Mr. Snow...sez hello" Is this Roy getting more familiar with the 'Mr.Snowman' mentioned in IWICBCED? If so, this is a brilliant 'throw back' and subtly hidden - fantastic. But even that is not as good as: "Snow from Mother Nature's gown, Spins a frosty eiderdown" Which is one of my favourite Woody lines. Great song that cheers me up each time I hear it. In fact I'm feeling better just writing about it :O) Happy New Year everyone. ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Sing Out The Old...Bring In The New" Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:09:20 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" A pleasant enough ditty from Mr. Wood, an attempt to perhaps tap into his prior success with "IWICBCE", complete with children's choir ala his previous hit. It deserved to at least be a moderate hit for him. I read in an article somewhere that Roy actually wrote this song for Darts, the doo-wop revival group whose "Dart Attack!" album he produced & played on a couple of years earlier. I believe sessions with the group were begun but not completed due to problems within the band. He subsequently recorded it for himself. Can anyone confirm this story? I don't want to be accused of spreading misinformation. Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Sing Out The Old...Bring In The New" Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 22:11:59 -0800 From: John Collins Further to Tylers post, Roy was on Birmingham local radio when the record was released. I don't recall Roy saying anything about writing it for Darts. I am not sure it would have been suitable for them anyway. If I recall Roy correctly, he said he wrote it, as he got his enthusiasm back for a Christmas record. The year before (1984) IWICBCE had been re-released and had been a big hit, it even got Roy on Top of The Pop's again! So Lynn I am a bit puzzled by your post with the lyrics, as it says 1980. The single came out in 1985, and it says that on the single. With regard for the single itself, I think it is one of the most underrated records Roy has ever written. It does exactly what it sets out to do, that is to capture that Christmas/ New Year party feeling. Lovely words, catchy tune, the return of the Kids which gives it a nice touch. I don't think this is as good as IWICBCE, however it is not that far away either. So sing out the old, bring in the new, as Roy is still making Rock n Roll history! ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Sing Out The Old...Bring In The New" Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 22:12:52 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins >So Lynn I am a bit puzzled by your post with the lyrics, as it says >1980. >The single came out in 1985, and it says that on the single. It depends on which single you have. The original, on Cheapskate, came out in 1980. It was b/w Watch This Space. A new version of the song was released in 1985 on Legacy. Along with an instrumental version, a "sing-a-long" version, and an extended mix. (I guess they wanted to get their money's worth out of the song!) By the way, Exotic Mixture uses the new Legacy version. ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Sing Out The Old...Bring In The New" Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 01:38:45 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" Lynn is correct i have both versions of the single. I am not surprised you missed the first release, along with the other Roy Wood singles of that time it got no promotion and just about hit a few of the major record shops. If it would have got more radio play it may have been a Top20 hit. Even now to this day the LP '(We're) On The Road Again' has not been released on CD. In fact it never got released anywhere except Germany and the USA. It is one of his best LP's and it has never been released in the UK! That sums up how bad Roy has been let down by these record labels. ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Sing Out The Old...Bring In The New" Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 00:16:50 -0800 From: BigLarry >It depends on which single you have. The original, on Cheapskate, >came out in 1980. It was b/w Watch This Space. Is the 1980 version a Roy-plays-all production, or did members of Helicopters play on it? Larry Harris Dallas, Texas ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Sing Out The Old...Bring In The New" Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:34:46 -0800 From: Bob Coulter < The instrumental and singalong versions are actually the same, just labelled differently on the 7" and 12". I know it's a bit of a contradiction as it's not easy to sing along to an instrumental. Perhaps Roy could explain how to do that. It's really a bit of both, as the verses are instrumental and the choruses still have the vocals. By the way, if you listen in headphones and turn the volume up loud, you can still hear the vocals in the verses very very faintly in the background. Bob Coulter Bobcaygeon, Ont. ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Sing Out The Old...Bring In The New" Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:02:43 -0800 From: John Collins Well, thanks Lynn (Andrew and Larry) I had no idea about the earlier one!! I am glad I bought it up now though. So you learn something everyday. I have the 1985 one, but not the 1980. Sulking now :-( ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Sing Out The Old...Bring In The New" Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:34:01 -0800 From: "Jeff Cooper" Whereas I have the 1980 version and had no idea about the 1985 release - which is why I am all the more pleased to have Exotic Mixture which as Lynn pointed out contains the latter. ********** Subject: Re: Merry Christmas! A Move List exclusive! Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:34:45 -0800 From: Keith Fletcher Finally got over my Christmas illness and got the wherewithal to download this track, a little gem. looking forward to the move catalogue revamp in 2003 .. 4... 5. Sooner rather than later but who cares as long as it is done right and the right things are done by the band. Did Rob ever recover the Shazam masters? I never heard it mentioned, the last I heard was that they were missing after someone had butchered the stereo masters when transferring them to DAT. End of Useless Information #433 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]