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Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #454 March 13, 2003 In this issue: * Bev Bevan on Saga Radio * Roy & Marc * ELO 2 Site * Record on ebay (not an ad!) * Song Of The Week (week of 3/3): "The Words Of Aaron" * Woody Gig: without the rosy glasses (cont.) * The Robin 2, Bilston * Meeting Roy * Dave Pegg's cottage next door ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Bev Bevan on Saga Radio Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:57:31 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins This info was posted to the ELO-Showdown list (thanks to Jim Griffiths)... A new time slot for Bev's show has been announced. It's every Monday evening on Saga 105.7fm 8-10 pm. Starting Monday 7th April. To listen online, go to http://www.saga.co.uk/1057fm ********** Subject: Roy & Marc Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:05:00 -0800 From: "garybytheway" >Me, I'm blown away by the photos of Marc Bolan playing with ELO. If >my >memory serves, Roy and Marc once jammed together... Hi Lynn, Are you thinking of Marcs home demo of "Jeepster Rap" from 1975 where he asks Roy to play the opening few bars of "Fire Brigade"or some other session? They both have a natter about previous singles, John Lennon etc, very interesting. It's on "A Wizard, A True Star" Marc Bolan & T.Rex 1972-77 (3 CD Set). I think they would have made a good team at the time. Cheers, Gary. ********** Subject: ELO 2 Site Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:57:18 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" >http://www.ftmusic.com/elo2 I STILL HAVE NOT GOT THRU IT ALL! I will have another look later. There is nothing on the net what comes near it. This has over passed anybodys expectations! I NOW KNOW WHY IT TOOK SO LONG TO DO! I think you all deserve a break now. The work load must have been a great strain. I BET THIS WILL SILENCE ANY LIST HECKLERS. Wow ELO II must be amazing. MFTC by the greatest band of all time is near too. Wicked. I hope Rob locates the Shazam tapes. What an insight into that album that would be. The lost out takes. Roys demo on just guitar to Beautiful Daughter.L ost unreleased songs. Lets keep our fingers crossed. He found a post production copy tape of Shazam so thats a start. My remaster was done from 5 grands worth of turntable and a Valve (Tube in America right?) Pre Amp and a analog to digital converter. A lot of time and work to do in its own right. I can on a very very small scale appreciate the hard work Rob puts into this. I THINK SOME PEOPLE THINK RESTORING STUFF IS EASY. Shazam took me a week to restore at least 48 HOURS IN TIME ALONE!. Thats one album! NOT ALL THE ARTIST OUTPUT FOR THE LAST 35 PLUS YEARS! So at least one will cut the Mustard. But the Multi Tracks and 2 Track Master that would really SHAKE THE FLOOR! If it still exists, Rob will find it. I have total faith in him. Thanks for a wonderful site and lists. It is great to see that there are so many wonderful people out there including YOU and ROB. Who really care to right the wrongs and get this great music back. And in the most amazing quality too! I hope all these great artists repay you and Rob for all this hard work. I THANK YOU BOTH, alas i'm just a normal fan. I hope awards of more merit comes both your way. You all deserve a lot more than the thanks of a mere fan like me. Once again thanks. ********** Subject: Record on ebay (not an ad!) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:39:54 -0800 From: Marc Miller Does anyone out there know anything about this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2514548352&category=22666 I've never heard of 'em! ********** Subject: Re: Record on ebay (not an ad!) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:57:08 -0800 From: "Bruce & Cathy Anthon" Yeah...great PSYCH...UK style...These tks are on various UK psych comps too! ROY is NOT on them. ....but they're still good...file with Idle Race. Bruce...# 1 Aust MOVE freak. ********** Subject: Re: Record on ebay (not an ad!) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:58:28 -0800 From: kakman1 The Move connection is Chris 'Ace' Kefford. He wrote the song "William Chalker's Time Machine". The group members allegedly heard Chris whistling the tune in the lavatory and offered to record this number. Some years later, a couple members of this group found their way into Mongrel and later Wizzard. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX PS. At that price, it's a bargain (probably not for long, ulp!) Even better if you purchase it and track down Chris and convince him to autograph it for you. I'm sue he'd be delighted. ********** Subject: Re: Record on ebay (not an ad!) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:59:14 -0800 From: "Greg Weatherby" Yea, yea, Lemon Tree were definitely Move related. Trevor produced, and Ace wrote the A side, "William Chalker". It's a great record, btw. Both sides. This one came out in 68, and definitely has a "Move" vibe about it. They had one more 45 after this one, and then...nowt. Their drummer was none other than Keith Smart. I could post up an mp3 of "William Chalker" (or "I Can Touch A Rainbow") if anyone is interested. ********** Subject: Re: Record on ebay (not an ad!) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:33:48 -0800 From: kakman1 Greg Weatherby writes: >I could post up an mp3 of "William Chalker" (or "I Can Touch A Rainbow") >if anyone is interested. Please do, that would be a treat for everyone, in light of Chris Kefford's coming back into the limelight somewhat and the new Ace The Face album finally seeing the light of day. BTW, I thought the word "freakbeat" was a British invention. I've only heard the word applied to some Brit psych/garage bands of mid and late sixties, although the term could very well apply to a lot of Austin Texan bands of the era where supposedly punk band psychedelia as we know it actually germinated (i.e. 13th Floor Elevators) Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: Record on ebay (not an ad!) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:03:41 -0800 From: "Greg Weatherby" kakman1@juno.com wrote: > BTW, I thought the word "freakbeat" was a British invention. I've only > heard the word applied to some Brit psych/garage bands of mid and late > sixties... Going backwards, "freakbeat" definitely originated in the UK, describing songs that are slightly post "beat", with more guitar snarl, fuzz, and well, freaky sounds. The Lemon Tree are definitely not "freakbeat", btw. I went ahead posted up "William Chalker". Will keep it up for two days (no comments, please), and then take it down. I love this song. Any comments about it? http://www.newwavesales.com/WilliamChalker.MP3 ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "The Words Of Aaron" Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 02:13:21 -0800 From: kakman1 Song Of The Week: March 3, 2003 "The Words Of Aaron" from the album "Message From The Country" Great choice, since this is next up in the First Light series (April ...May.... right Rob?) Nice throbbing chugging bass from Roy. (Why doesn't anyone comment on Roy's bass playing on this list, he's pretty dang good at it. I'm not talking Stanley Clarke here, but fine exponent of rock'n'roll and jazz fusion bass playing.) Lovely ethereal blending of voices between Jeff and Roy. Jeff's weird lyrical knack coming to the fore again. He was still just a young dude then, but here he's writing like some wizened sage. The music is very much like a stripped down "Strawberry Fields Forever". Nice flute touches. Very subtle drumming from Bev on this number. Can't wait to hear the re-master. What goodies can we expect besides the extra music on this issue? Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: Woody Gig: without the rosy glasses Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:01:10 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" It seems to me that back in the 70's, during Wizzard's waning days, there were reports of Roy overdoing it with alcohol, which was partly what sidelined him for awhile along with the legal problems, etc. Perhaps this is something he goes thru periodically when he becomes frustrated with himself creatively. Maybe he can't follow thru with the salsa thing as he hoped to and feels down about things. Just a thought I'm tossing in for comment. Interestingly, when Wizzard came over to the USA back in '74, a year or so later they packed it in and he dropped out of sight for a while. It's been a year (has it really been a year?) since the Army came over here and now we have reports of problems. Things that make you go "hmmm...". Hope this doesn't mean the Army's days are numbered and that our man is fixing to drop out of sight again! Probably just an isolated incident. Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: Woody Gig: without the rosy glasses Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:02:04 -0800 From: "Lynnette Cannell" >Granted, everyone has the off night and Roy isn't the first musician >of a certain caliber to muck up a gig due to a quick stop at the pub. >This isn't a regular habit with Roy before gigs, right? Sadly, Kevin, from what I've seen - it is all too regular a habit. However, given that sound checks are often early, at around 5 - 7 pm, and the band usually dont go on until around 10pm, then it is a bit difficult I geuss to fill in the intervening 4 hours other than in the nearest hostelry. However, Roy usually manages to carry his drink well, and it doesnt affect his performance. Maybe it was just, as you say, a one-off misjudgement, but someone of his experience just shouldnt make such a miscalculation. We all like a drink, or four, but generally stop before the point where we cannot do our jobs in a professional manner. If Roy is that fed up, Lynne, with playing in pubs etc., then he needs to stop doing them. I agree that he should be doing more, and better venues. But I honestly dont think he can be bothered. Roy was never that keen on playing the publicists' games (maybe after the Wilson affair, not too surprising!) to the detriment of his own career, but nowadays, spin is all - He wont consider doing even a one-off with the other Move members - well, perhaps such a gig, with all the ensuing publicity, would be just what he needs right now. I could see a fantastic event, where all the original members do a short set with their own bands, maybe 3-4 numbers, then the culmination of the evening, they do a reprise of the music we all know and love, together ....... great publicity for all of them, especially in their new formats. A midlands venue (dare I suggest Birmingham?) would be packed out. ********** Subject: Re: Woody Gig: without the rosy glasses Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:04:11 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Tyler wrote: >Hope this doesn't mean the Army's days are numbered and that our man >is fixing to drop out of sight again! Probably just an isolated incident. Okay, I'll be a bit controversial here and say I think the Army's days SHOULD be numbered, as I feel that idea has run its course. Roy's a creator...an exceptional songwriter...a brilliant guitarist... And that amazing voice! He hasn't been happy with his career for a long while, but seems to need a shove to get moving in another direction. There was mention on this list a little bit ago about Roy working on a project with his oldest friend (I think everyone guessed who that is). We'll see if that's a hard enough shove! At any rate, I really don't think he's going to drop out of sight. ********** Subject: The Robin 2, Bilston Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:05:09 -0800 From: Richard Messum The Robin 2's website has five photographs of RW's Army at the URL http://www.therobin.co.uk/pics/bandphotos/bandphotos.html. I don't believe these pictures are from last week's gig, though, as they are not flagged as "new." Good pics, though. (Three of them are of the girls.) ********** Subject: Meeting Roy Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:30:52 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" I met my hero which was a wonderful moment. But now i regret my posting. I MUST HAVE BEEN SO HAPPY I COULD NOT HEAR THE FAULTS. I felt so happy about it i felt like telling the world. I never intended to mislead anyone. I really did enjoy the gig, alas a ROSE GLASS one at anyway. Humble pie time now i think. Now it only makes me feel sad. It may have been better if i had not met him, at least i would not have posted what now seems was a false picture. ********** Subject: Re: Meeting Roy Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:31:34 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Andy, Don't feel you need to take back your words. As anyone here who has met Roy will tell you... it's a wonderful experience. After having worked with him via this list for five years, I finally met him last year in New York. I don't mean for this to sound like I have him up on a pedestal, but meeting Roy is an unforgettable experience. He's warm, funny and extremely quick-witted. And very charming! This may sound strange, but when you're in his presence, a million bits of music go running through your head as you remember in a few seconds' time all your favorite songs that he's written and played and sung. And there you are, talking to him, hearing that voice. You can't help but feel a little overwhelmed. As I've said here before, Roy is one of only a few true pop icons, and I treasured the opportunity to meet him in person. As for the gig, I think it was just a bad night. That happens to the best of 'em. Quite a few people on the Move List attended all four shows at the Village Underground in NY last March and will back me up on this... The first night was shaky. Roy was clearly nervous. He drank throughout the show...and remembered every word of every song. By Friday, opening night jitters were gone and it was a superb evening. Wow, the band was great. And Roy's singing gave me chills. Saturday night almost didn't happen. Roy was ill and was throwing up right until showtime. (Sorry for the graphic description...) STILL, he remembered every word, and played every note flawlessly. The last night was excellent. Some thought it was the best of the four. Roy's voice was a little worn out, but it was a very, very enjoyable performance. As someone else on the list pointed out, drinking typically doesn't seem to affect Roy's performance. So why all of a sudden? Don't you think there may have been something else going on? Roy is a perfectionist. He'll get it straightened out. Let's see what he does next. I'm sorry for the folks who traveled a long distance to see a show that was sub par. I once traveled several hours to see Joe Jackson in concert, only to see him shout at the audience and storm off the stage. I gave him a second chance, and I'm glad I did... when I saw him again a few months later he was fantastic. That's rock 'n' roll for ya! ********** Subject: Re: Meeting Roy Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:39:45 -0800 From: "Lynnette Cannell" Andy, please dont feel bad - Im sorry that you feel that way, I guess if that was the first time I had heard the band, specially after meeting Roy for the first time, Id think they were wonderful, too - it's just that I know how brilliant they normally are, and how sub-par they were on Friday. ********** Subject: Re: Meeting Roy Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:39:59 -0800 From: "Christian Storm" >It may have been better if i had not met him, at least i >would not have posted what now seems was a false picture. It wasn't a false picture at all mate... it was just a different one. It was what you saw and how you felt. Don't feel bad for sharing your opinion - that's all I did, and isn't that why we are here? I was just angry and frustrated that such a talent gets himself into a state like that, and on a GIG night! I still think he's the greatest songwriter on the face of the earth. He just doesn't do himself any favours. I was also gutted because to attend the gig I took two unpaid days off work! Chris S. Dorset. ********** Subject: Re: Meeting Roy Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:58:33 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" Thanks Lynnette and Chris. It had been a while since i last saw them play. Chris after the amount of money that night cost you and that great distance too! I can understand your anger. Lets hope it was just a one off bad gig. i was glad to meet him. Shaking hands with Roy was something i never would have believe would happen to someone like me. I FEEL A LOT BETTER ALREADY. All the best. The worlds worst gig reviewer Andy ********** Subject: Dave Pegg's cottage next door Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 22:37:09 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins There's a mention of Roy in this article. Entertaining reading all around... ---- The Times (London, UK) March 09, 2003 Living: A move with no strings Guitarist Dave Pegg plans to live next door when he retires, says Fred Redwood The villagers of Barford St Michael, Oxfordshire, will miss their celebrity sideshow when Dave Pegg closes down his recording studio and moves into the cottage next door. "We've had some funny moments," says Pegg, the bass guitarist with Fairport Convention, who also played with Jethro Tull for 14 years. "There was the time a neighbour phoned to warn me about a weirdo tramp who looked like Billy Connolly wandering around the garden. It actually was Billy, taking a break from doing the music for his telly series. And Roy Wood caused a stir with his gorgeous backing singers - dressed in black thigh-length boots and not much else. "But some famous faces have gone unnoticed. Robert Plant of Led Zeppelin was having a pint in the village pub once and a little old lady came up and said, 'Oi m'dear, you look lonely. Haven't you got any friends?' He was one of the biggest names in rock music at the time." Pegg's recent building project has been carried out with his eventual retirement in mind. He bought his present home, Woodworm's Hilton, in 1981 for £55,000, and has lived there since. Three parts of a short terrace of artisans' dwellings dating from 1732, it has a Presbyterian chapel in the garden that has been converted into his commercial recording studio. In 1995, he bought the cottage next door, The Ledge, to accommodate visiting musicians for both the studio and his annual Cropredy festival - a folk-rock bash held every August that attracts audiences of about 20,000. When the time comes to hang up his bass, Pegg and his wife, Chris, intend to live in The Ledge and sell Woodworm's Hilton. Chris, who oversaw the renovation work at The Ledge, leads the way through the narrow, low-ceilinged hallway into the kitchen. "This house was originally owned by a dear old lady who made her living from her vegetable garden and by breeding puppies," she says. "It was in a dreadful state - full of grain and oats and infested with rats and mice. This kitchen was then an outhouse with a corrugated asbestos roof that we only had to lean on to knock over. It was a question of gutting the place and starting again." The Peggs bought the three-bedroom cottage for £99,000 - about £20,000 above its market value, as its owner knew it was particularly useful for them. They then spent £100,000 on its renovation. The job took more than a year and the cottage was recently valued at £265,000. Although only about 15 miles from the Cotswolds, properties in these pale yellow Hornton stone villages of North Oxfordshire are 18% below Cotswolds prices. They ran into a wall of bureaucracy when they started the renovation. "The cottage had to be updated to meet strict safety regulations as we were letting rooms commercially," says Chris. "Yet we had to keep changes to a minimum to satisfy the heritage people, the cottage being Grade II-listed." On things like such as the new staircase, the guidelines contradicted one another. "We had to trust our architect and builder to get us through. We hired the specialist renovator Duncan Upward, having seen some of his work in barn conversions, and he was brilliant. But he couldn't even make us an estimate of costs because he didn't know what structural nightmare he'd find when he started the job." Upward, with a team of local plumbers, carpenters and craftsmen, rebuilt the interior of the run-down cottage using stone from derelict outbuildings, oak for the beams from a disused factory in Nuneaton and reclaimed pine for the doors. Every piece of window and door furniture has been hand-crafted. The biggest job was the flooring. Chris says: "I wanted underfloor heating and I'm delighted with it. The builders dug an 8in-deep trench, laid the pipes and covered them with cement, and then I chose this Chinese slate as flooring because it so closely resembles flagstones." The slate, which is warm to the touch, runs throughout the downstairs, into the lounge and the office leading off it, where Pegg's personal assistant works. At the back of the building is a long, dark-wood conservatory that is Pegg's office. The decor throughout is heavy and unmistakably French. Pegg says: "We are still adding finishing touches. A house like this imposes itself on you and you have to furnish it to its demands. I love art deco and I have lots of it in my house in Putney, but here it would look ridiculous. We buy a lot from brocantes when we are in our holiday home in Brittany, and I think it works well." Delicate cut-glass chandeliers hang from the lights, chairs rescued from a French church are around the kitchen table, and in the bedrooms are more touches of France - lumpy-looking divans with antique counterpanes and theatrical dressing screens. What does Pegg think he will miss most when he eventually cuts his ties with music and moves into the house next door? "Undoubtedly the enthusiasm of young bands, who still drink too much and stay up all night in the studio, because that's supposed to be what rock musicians do. "I find it so weird that they want to talk to me about musicians from my generation. Somebody like Nick Drake, whose albums I played on in the early 1970s, is now a cult hero. "Then there's Ozzy Osbourne, who I knew way back on the music scene in Birmingham. I remember him sending his first wife a gift when he was touring - a pair of lion cubs." 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