[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #461 April 2, 2003 In this issue: * "Arrested" (cont.) * Carl Wayne on Tony Blackburn and Saga * New Hollies song * The truth is out there * Info for two singles * First Light * Remastered Move (cont.) * Move 2003 Reunion? * One Year Ago... Woody in NYC - The Lost Weekend (not really!) * One Year Ago... NY Daily News review * Art School Dancing (cont.) ============================================================== To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Re: "Arrested" Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:56:48 -0800 From: Richard Messum Kevin wrote: >the song of interest here is "Message In A Bottle", for the vocalist is >our Roy Wood. If I were Roy, I'd re-record this number as a single, but >without the strings... Now this could turn into a fascinating thread. If we were Roy Wood, planning an album of cover versions, what songs would we choose? "Message in a bottle" would be great. How 'bout some further suggestions: Happiness is a warm gun, Downtown train, Maybe i'm amazed? The immigrant song, Days, Crosstown traffic, Games without frontiers (duo with Kate Bush)? Armageddon it!? Or Jailhouse rock, Return to sender, That's all right mama -- the Elvis connection. Plus i can imagine an entire album of Dion and Buddy Holly covers..... Cheers, Richard, writing to you live from dreamland..... ********** Subject: Carl Wayne on Tony Blackburn and Saga Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 02:25:50 -0800 From: kakman1 If any one caught Carl Wayne's interviews on Tony Blackburn's morning show and later on Bill Rennels show on Saga, I find it interesting that as far as Carl is concerned the Move was over or finished in 1969 or 1970. Yes, Carl left The Move at the end of '69, but they did continue without him, even touring as late as October 1970. And of course there was three LPs and a good clutch of hit singles right up until 1972. For goodness sake, on Carl's own website he cites "Chinatown" as his favourite Move single and that was released and charted in 1971!! I guess it's all a matter of perspective. BTW, I do like the new Hollies single Saga played after the interview. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: Carl Wayne on Tony Blackburn and Saga Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:49:57 -0800 From: steve22 kakman1 > I find it interesting that as far as Carl is concerned the Move was > over or finished in 1969 or 1970. Yes, Carl left The Move at the end > of '69, but they did continue without him, even touring as late as > October 1970. And of course there was three LPs and a good clutch of > hit singles right up until 1972. Hi Kevin, My guess from what's been said here of Carl Wayne's comments on when he thought The Move ('69/'70) ended vs. when they actually did ('72) is Carl probably thought the band was evolving more towards ELO in sound and personnel than The Move. Carl probably thinks that when Jeff Lynne joined The Move that the sound was more ELO than Move, which was happening gradually? I would bet Carl thinks it was more Move oriented when he was in the band and he's probably right as he sung most of those songs we all know and love. As we know, the dynamics of a band can change somewhat or dramatically when original members leave and new ones join up. That's my take on it. Do we know if Carl's radio appearances today have been or will be archived on a UK web site so anyone like myself can hear them? ********** Subject: New Hollies song Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 02:31:00 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Kevin just reminded me... I wanted to let everyone know that the new Hollies song (featuring Carl on lead vocals) appears on the just released remastered "Greatest Hits" 2CD on EMI, celebrating the band's 40th anniversary. The album has moved up to 21 in the charts, which is nice to see. "How Do I Survive" was recorded at Abbey Road Studios. It was written by Paul Bliss (of the Bliss Band and the Moody Blues.) "Greatest Hits" is released in the UK and Europe. Not in the U.S., unfortunately. But it is available online. The EMI catalog number is 5820122. If enough people on the Move List (I'll ask the ELO-Showdown list also) are interested in buying the new Hollies "Greatest Hits", FTM can do a block purchase and get Carl to sign them for us. Drop me an e-mail if you'd like to get a signed copy from FTM. By the way, the last time I posted about "How Do I Survive" a few people asked me if I'd heard the original. Not only have I heard it, I used to play it on the radio back in my early DJ days. Hmmm... I think it may have sounded better in 1979... ;) I'll make an MP3 of the Bliss Band track available so you can compare the two, just for kicks. ********** Subject: The truth is out there Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:40:53 -0800 From: "George Mackenzie" Just received my ELO 2 CD and certainly very pleased with the whole thing. Well done to Rob and everyone else involved. Would just like to say that, when the album was released 30 years ago, there was a "rumour" at the time that Roy Wood featured on a couple of tracks, but that was DENIED and Woody's "bits were erased and re-recorded" (does anyone else remember this or am I imagining it all). So after 30 years the truth is out there for everyone to see and hear that Roy Wood does feature on ELO 2. Are you sure Woody doesn't feature on the lost ELO track "Your World" along with Carl Wayne, as I've listened to the song 5 times now and I'm certain Roy can heard in the distance on backing vocals (or am I imagining it?) Maybe in 30 years time the truth will be out there again. ********** Subject: Re: The truth is out there Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:57:04 -0800 From: "Rob Caiger" >I'm certain Roy can heard in the distance on backing vocals (or am I >imagining it?) Imagining it - that's Carl doing all the backing vocals. ********** Subject: Info for two singles Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:41:08 -0800 From: Harold Montgomery Anyone have info on two singles I have? 1) Rats (T. Burton) c/w If You Want it (P. McCartney) by The Magic Christians: UK 45 rpm on Major Minor Records # MM 673 ©1969 Produced by Gary Wright. 2) Fight For My Country (T Burton) c/w Jaine Slow Down (A White & D Laine) Bt Trevor Burton : US EPIC 45 rpm # 5-10851 ©1972 Produced by Jimmy Miller. Is this the single released in the UK under the moniker "BALLS"?? ********** Subject: Re: Info for two singles Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:26:24 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Hi Harold, I believe that both "Fight For My Country" singles were released in the UK, one under the name "Balls" (Trevor, Denny Laine, Alan White), the other a year later under Trevor's name. As for the other, are you sure it's called "Rats"? ********** Subject: Re: Info for two singles Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 01:04:18 -0800 From: Andrew Codd Did a quick google search. Found a Steve Gibbon's Bio page which had the following info. http://www.havic.com/artist/S_Gibbons/SGBio.htm BALLS Singles Label Fight For My Country/Janie Slow Down* (1971) UK WIZARD WIZ 101 Fight For My Country/Hound Dog Howling (1971) Fra BYG M 25 293 *Also released under: TREVOR BURTON, TREVOR BURTON AND BALLS, BURTON LAINE AND GIBBONS all WIZARD WIZ 101 (EMI). P.S I bought the Burton Laine and Gibbons version of this single last year for Joe Ramsey. Don't remember it being on the Wizard Label. Perhaps Uncle Joe could dig it out and confirm the info sometime. ********** Subject: First Light Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 00:55:24 -0800 From: "Rob Caiger" Due to the many enquiries we've received from fans disappointed that the limited edition version of Electric Light Orchestra / First Light had been deleted before they could buy it, I asked EMI to see if spare boxes had been put in storage at their warehouses and distribution centres in Europe. They've come up with 10 boxes, totalling 100 CD's and these will be with us next week. An update will be posted here and on the FTM website next week. All the best - Rob Face The Music Online - www.ftmusic.com The official information service for ELO & all related artists ********** Subject: Re: Remastered Move Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 00:55:43 -0800 From: "Andrew Footman" Hi Steve and welcome to the list. You should like Boulders Steve. But stay with the remasters. SuperActive Wizzo and (We're) On The Road Again are well worth checking out. I'm pretty sure Rob has something very special planed by the Idle Race (Pre Move and ELO). You may regret it later if you miss out. If my Ace Kefford Stand single is anything to go by, Ace The Face will be fantastic. Many years of Rob's work has gone in to this. Master Tape after Master Tape being found and long lost out takes and multi tracks found. Anyone who lets these go by would be foolish. You are very lucky that 100 ELO First Light have been found in a EMI warehouse. If you have not got this, get it now email Rob and reserve a copy. Get your money to him has fast has you can. There will be no more of that set after them! It is blooming good too! I have 2 copies and have just sent for a second copy of ELO II. ********** Subject: Re: Remastered Move Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:57:13 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" >What's the story on the Fillmore West live tapes? This is the first >I've heard of it?! Steve, The story goes that Carl Wayne has been in possession of the soundboard tapes of The Move's show at the Fillmore West in S.F. in Oct. 1969 for all these years and presently some sort of arrangement for their release is being worked out. This would be the "Shazam" era Move. Poor quality bootlegs of this show have circulated for years but, bad as they are, one can hear that the band were in top form. I haven't checked lately but there was a short sound clip of "Cherry Blossom Clinic Revisited" posted on "the Move On Line" web site as a teaser. We've all been drooling, sitting on the edge of our chairs waiting for it to come out. It, along with expanded versions of "MFTC" and Roy's solo album "Boulders" are due for release sometime in 2003. Do I have all this right, Rob? Any release dates yet? Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: Re: Remastered Move Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:10:39 -0800 From: steve22 Tyler, Those unreleased Move 'Fillmore '69' tapes sound pretty exciting to me as well ! Can't wait to hear 'em ! The other two releases ("MFTC", Boulders") sound cool as well. Never heard the "Boulders" album before, just heard of it, so that'll be all be a new listen to me. Thanks for the lowdown on it all ! Should be a good Move year, 2003. ********** Subject: Move 2003 Reunion? Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:10:50 -0800 From: steve22 Hi everyone, Here's an innocent enough question from your newest Move list member. What is preventing all of the original members (Ace, Trevor, Carl, Bev, Roy) of The Move from having a reunion now. Either, for a one-shot concert or for a new recording. They're one of a very small handful of 60's groups whose original members are alive and well. Now, I realise at the moment that Carl is touring with the Hollies for a couple of months but after that's done he's free I would think. Maybe, if they all got together for something Ace would record new or finish up an old recording? ********** Subject: Re: Move 2003 Reunion? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:06:08 -0800 From: "Tyler C.Sherman" Steve, Hoo boy. We've been discussing this very thing for some months now. Why not indeed! The only reason, apparently, is that all the members, most notably Roy, simply do not want to do it. The one possible exception is Bev Bevan who has hinted he might try to get a few ex-members, sans Roy, to do some shows. The general consensus seems to be that without Roy it really wouldn't be The Move. As much as we would all like this to happen it seems highly unlikely that it ever will. Wizzards, Tyler ********** Subject: One Year Ago... Woody in NYC - The Lost Weekend (not really!) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:25:22 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins [Re-post] Subject: Woody in NYC - The Lost Weekend (not really!) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:24:52 -0800 From: John DeSilva Movers: Well, my amazing journey is almost at a close - I'm writing this from the plane back to San Jose, CA. It really doesn't seem real that we actually saw Woody and the Army these last three days (and for those fortunate folks that didn't have to leave today, tonight as well!). As with the ELO PBS tapings last year, this has been the adventure of a lifetime for me. Without venturing into a "War and Peace" length post, here's my impressions of all I heard, saw, and drank (ugh!): - Roy Wood's Army. Thursday's show was good, but a bit tentative. Sound problems ruled the day in a lot of places, and it seemed that Woody was a bit apprehensive on how the set would be accepted in the "Big Apple". He needn't have worried - the band caught fire in the last part of the set, and the audience were right there with 'em. Friday night was the jewel in the crown as far as I'm concerned. Woody was on, the band was right with him for the ride, and the audience (bigger than Thursday night) was in pure joy throughout. I reached and maintained a state of bliss from "Are You Ready To Rock" on to the end of "I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday". It was magical, as I said before. Saturday night ... Ah, Saturday ... The band was in top form - at this point I have to mention the Thunderbirds, the almost all-female horn section. They were all exceptional, but I've got to give special mention to Alison (the alto sax, flute, and soprano sax player) - clearly she's the most talented player in the 'Birds; I also found her air of quiet confidence mixed with playful fun mesmerizing (not to mention sexy - oops I did!); Carol and Beca the trombone players (the newest members of the Army) were technically excellent, but more importantly were reveling in the joy of being onstage - they were cracking each other up during their backing vocal turns on "Forever", and "See My Baby Jive" - sheer joy; and finally Jenna, one of the trumpet players, was the most energetic player, both while playing, and especially when not playing - dancing and singing backing vocals into her trumpet mike. Anyway, getting back to Saturday night's performance - the band was great, but Roy was ill, and not as into the performance or audience reaction (which was considerable) as on Friday night. He cut out IWICBCE at the end, and essentially stopped singing halfway through "Grass Grow" (the audience did its best to cover with their own vocals). Still a very good show, but Roy's repeated references to "having to vomit" made it clear that he was interested in getting on, getting off, and getting to the loo to take care of business. Hopefully he'll be back feeling better tonight for the last show - you lucky devils who get to be there will let us know I'm sure. - The "Plastic Ono Birdcage" sessions. Friday afternoon I had the great privilege to be invited (thanks again Lynn!) to Smash Recording studios on 36th St. to be a part of the "Brian Carter Experience", or as Brian put it in his earlier post, the "Plastic Ono Birdcage band". Brian was gracious enough to book 3 hours of studio time for an impromptu jam, starring Tim Emerich on guitar and bass, Joe Ramsey on guitar, bass, and drums, and Brian "Ginger" Carter on drums, assisted by yours truly on vocals, bass, and drums (more like sloppy bashing), and guitar during the "sound check". You just don't get many opportunities to have this much fun - it was great to be a part of it. An audience was also present: Joe Doyle and family, Rob, Lynn, Kelly (Tim's wife), and Marilyn (Joe's girlfriend). The songs! Tim's encyclopedic knowledge of Move, ELO, and Idle Race songs on the guitar is beyond impressive; Joe's backlog of "Nuggets" like "Signed DC" by Love, "Sometimes Good Guys Don't Wear White" by the Standells, and "I Got A Line On You" by Spirit was incredible - he even threw in a bit of "Raw Power" by Iggy and the Stooges. Brian Carter behind the drum stool was solid throughout, doing some syncopated rhythms during a couple of numbers that blew me away. The most memorable quotes during the session were from Brian, who attempted to slow the pace down by saying "how 'bout a slow one like 'The Song'?" "How 'bout 'The Rain Came Down on Everything'?" ;-D My faves - "The Birthday Party", "When Alice Comes Back To The Farm", "Signed DC", "Can't Get It Out Of My Head", "California Man", "I Got A Line On You", .... I could go on and on (and already have). - Friends. It was really great to finally meet in person the members of the list - I just wish I had been able to meet and hang out with more of you. Here's thanks to those I did get to hang with: Mike Cross and his friend and musical collaborator Chris Joe R and Marilyn Tim and Kelly E Joe Doyle and family Brian Carter Greg Weatherby Terry Hoknes The inimitable Dr. Bob Coulter (his devotion to both Woody and the Toronto Maple Leaves is most admirable) Henry Laura Marc Miller Rich and Lynn from Boston Beth Gatlin Bruce Markow Larry Harris (great to finally meet BigLarry - didn't get to talk to you much unfortunately!) And of course last but not least Rob Caiger and Lynn Hoskins - thanks to you guys as always for making this all possible for us. I can't begin to express my appreciation and gratitude, so I won't! ;-) Seriously, thanks very much, and I look forward to meeting up with you again soon! Pictures on a web page to follow!! JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: Re: One Year Ago... Woody in NYC - The Lost Weekend (not really!) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:57:20 -0800 From: John DeSilva > [Re-post] > > Subject: Woody in NYC - The Lost Weekend (not really!) > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:24:52 -0800 > From: John DeSilva Do I go on a bit or what? :-D That's what having the adventure of a lifetime does to me I guess ... I really should take care of some spelling errors with regard to the Thunderbirds' names - Alyson, Becca, and Gemma (not Jenna). Thanks to Lynn for reposting all of the Woody in NYC reviews (especially Plastic Ono Dream's ecstatic report) - reliving that weekend couldn't come at a better time. That was one of the greatest weekends of my life, that's for sure. For anyone who's interested, here's a link to a photo web page that I never posted last year - the vaunted "Plastic Ono Birdcage Sessions"! http://home.earthlink.net/~desilvaj/woody/pobirdcg.html JD San Jose, CA ********** Subject: One Year Ago... NY Daily News review Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 00:42:49 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins [Re-post] Subject: NY Daily News review Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:47:48 -0800 From: Lynn Hoskins Standing in the Shadows '60s guitar hero Roy Wood shakes off decades of neglect to play N.Y. New York Daily News Saturday, March 23, 2002 by Jim Farber Archivists of British rock, take note. Guitarist Roy Wood, one of the most criminally undersung stars in U.K. pop history, is performing his first New York shows in ... drumroll ... 28 years. Wood's opening night, Thursday, at the Village Underground (he closes tomorrow) might not have convinced non-aficionados of his full talent. But at least it grazed the surface of his gift, leaving fans' memories to fill in the rest. For those who haven't followed the story so far, Wood (not to be confused with Rolling Stone Ron Wood, no relation) rose to prominence in the mid-'60s fronting rabidly creative psychedelic band the Move. Later, Wood founded the string-pop act Electric Light Orchestra (with Jeff Lynne), only to quickly ditch them for the rockabilly-glam band Wizzard. Wood's 75-minute show plucked hits from his early career, along with newer material that fans probably could have done without, given the legend's deep catalog and long absence from these shores. At least Wood's show had a campy theatricality. Sporting red and yellow hair extensions, the 55-year-old looked like Rob Zombie's demented father. Wood's splashy 12-piece band, the Army, included eight young, mostly female horn players. Wood's repertoire proved as sprawling as his band. It ranged from psychedelic baubles ("Fire Brigade" and "Blackberry Way," a No. 1 U.K. hit in '69) to proto-metal ("I Can Hear the Grass Grow") to glam rock ("See My Baby Jive," another No. 1 in '73) to power pop (his best-known cut, "California Man," later made more famous by Cheap Trick). There was a mild cloddish quality to the band, with its clunky horns. And Wood's boyish voice wasn't always strong. But to see this lost legend in such good humor had to thrill any Anglophile, not to mention anyone who appreciates finely written pop. Rumor has it that Cheap Trick may appear at one of this weekend's events. If you can't make those, do yourself a favor and chase down Move albums such as "Message From the Country" or "Shazam" - just in case Wood decides to pull another 28-year no-show. [Photo caption: Long-lost legend: Roy Wood at the Village Underground] ********** Subject: Re: Art School Dancing Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:40:21 -0800 From: Gmcorie got art school dancing in the mail saturday, never heard of it and never did like albums by various artist. you all know how i'am a sucker for anything MOVE related. cross my fingers when i put it into the player. right off the song sing a song in the morning put a smile on my face. to my surprise i was pleasantly surprised. some of the tracks were innocent and childlike, some were choppy, explosive, smooth and droning. there was a little jazz, folk ballads, great acoustic, churning guitars, a little magic. enough of everything to keep things moving at a nice pace. meanwhile back to the MOVE related. there's the MOVE song, the Minister by Jeff L. the ELO song, Look at Me Now by Roy W. to top it off the Wizzard song [last weeks song of the week] Carlsberg Special by Bill H, who would have though hummmm. anyway it's a great Lp buy it - you wont be disappointed louisiana george ********** Subject: Re: Art School Dancing Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 02:26:19 -0800 From: kakman1 Louisiana George writes: >Art School Dancing - what kind, and how would you rank the music on >this Lp. 5 the best, and 0 [gas mask] no need to say. would you buy it? At best, it is an interesting collection of UK EMI/Harvest artists. I give it a 3 for eccentricity. Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: Art School Dancing Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 23:36:25 -0800 From: Keith Fletcher Harvest is one label where the compilations are not that bad, there was such a diverse collection of music produced in its early years, that if you like the first ELO album then you will like the collection. From Marston Moor to First Movement, that is how I would describe the collection. End of Useless Information #461 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]