[This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.] USELESS INFORMATION The Move Mailing List Digest Issue #480 June 17, 2003 In this issue: * Mustard, anyone? (cont.) * Lost Shazam Tapes * Song Of The Week (week of 6/9): "Vote For Me" * "Wizzard's Brew" & "The Music" * Nancy Sinatra's "California Man" cover * Message From The Country Remaster * MFTC booklets * Reissues (cont.) * Great singers (cont.) * Trevor Burton & Gary Wright's "Extraction" * "10538 Overture" on new Virgin TV 3CD ============================================================== The contents of this digest are the copyright of The Move "Useless Information" Mailing List and may not be re-published or re-distributed elsewhere without permission and credit. To POST TO THE LIST: Send an e-mail to: move-list@eskimo.com Move List Info & Archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~noanswer/movelist.html TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an e-mail to move-digest-request@eskimo.com with the word "unsubscribe" (no quotes) in the subject line ============================================================== Subject: Re: Mustard, anyone? Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:00:09 -0700 From: "Michael J. Cross" Mustard is my favorite of Roy's solo efforts, just barely edging out Boulders. Most of the songs are so touching and highly personal. My favorite thing about Roy has always been his uncompromising integrity, courage, and genuinity. Roy's music may not be wildly popular or "accessible" here in the US, but it sure is earnest! And the album cover art is so weirdly cool! Mike Cross Rochester, NY ********** Subject: Re: Mustard, anyone? Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:01:53 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Mike Cross wrote: >And the album cover art is so weirdly cool! Some list members have stated here that the "Mustard" album cover art is their least favorite of all Move and Roy Wood releases. Clearly you disagree. ;) But what is it about the cover that people dislike? The checkerboard flooring? The Yellow Brick Road made of bright yellow Coleman's mustard? Roy's green hair and oversized head? The exclamation (!) road sign? Did the cover put potential buyers off when it was released? ********** Subject: Covered in Mustard, anyone? Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:29:20 -0700 From: "Michael J. Cross" I'll tell you what I like about the Mustard artwork: Like everything Roy does musically, the artwork is very distinctively ROY! It's unabashedly Roy, in fact, and is as genuine as the music on the album. Heck, if you're gonna write the songs, arrange everything, do all the vocals, play all the instruments, and produce it yerself, why stop when it comes to the cover art? You go boy, er I mean Roy. I remember my friend Chris (who was at the March '02 NYC shows) and I were talking about the cover art for Main Street. Chris' comment was that it looked like an "old-guy" use of imaging technology. Ta, Mike Cross ********** Subject: Re: Mustard, anyone? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:23:22 -0700 From: "Martin Kinch" >But what is it about the cover that people dislike? The checkerboard >flooring? The Yellow Brick Road made of bright yellow Coleman's >mustard? Roy's green hair and oversized head? The exclamation (!) >road sign? I've always liked the sleeve, but have always been puzzled as to why Roy didn't finish off colouring in the rest of the black squares on the back. Perhaps, like Boulders, the record company released it before Roy had finished it. Does anyone on the list actually have one of the big jars of Mustard with Roy on the label that were given away as promotional items. I have a picture of one but have never seen one - and apparently there were life size cardboard cutouts of Roy as well, I've never seen one though . ********** Subject: Lost Shazam Tapes Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:07:54 -0700 From: "Martin Nielsen" Andrew Footman wrote: >So you found Shazam when you were 11 Martin. The great production >has you >say is not on the CD versions! Cube Records edited it and >sucked all the >life out of it and lost the Tapes! I hope they are >found but i am thinking >that Rob will not have many places left to >look now. I hope a decent copy >Tape is found or the Multi tracks >turn up so the album can be restored to >its former glory. Well, since I found out that the intro of "Don't Make My Baby Blue" is misssing from the Movements issue of the album, I haven't listened to that CD, so I haven't really noticed in which ways the sound in other respects is lacking... The vinyl version I have, and the one I'm used to hearing, is the American one on A&M Records. I found a German Polydor version last year, but it's kinda worn so I haven't really compared sound qualities. Did you know that on that same German version, it says on the back: "produced by Roy Wood, Carl Wayne and Rick Price in conjunction with Gerald Chevin", whereas my other edition just states that the producer is Wood? Strange... Did Wayne and Price ever produce!?!? The German version also has "P 1970" printed on it, which has possibly made some of the record's owners think it's a 70s album, which you could probably easily suspect judging from the sound... I have never heard a UK Regal Zonophone copy. Is that miserable Cube Records edit the one used for all the CD versions that have been available? If so, this amount to nothing less than a crime. Someone ought to hunt down those Cube tossers and do nasty things to them. Shazam is the album for which the master tapes should just never, never get lost! Martin Denmark ********** Subject: Re: Lost Shazam Tapes Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:23:10 -0700 From: "Andrew Footman" Martin Nielsen wrote: >Is that miserable Cube Records edit the one used for all the CD >versions that have been available? If so, this amount to nothing less >than a crime. Someone ought to hunt down those Cube tossers and do >nasty things to them. Shazam is the album for which the master tapes >should just never, never get lost! Yes you have the rotten cube edit Martin. The Regal Zonophone and first re-issue on Fly Records sound fantastic and blow all the CD versions away. Anyone who has a decent turntable and has these UK albums on the list will say the same. The sound quality of Movement's is poor. The Jap 24 bit mastered mini sleeve CD's are the best sounding Move CD's. Shazam still sucks but the others sound great. The 3 Jap CD's have all the tracks of Movement's including the proper length UK single mix of I Can Here The Grass Grow. They have better sound quality than the Sony ELO remasters but fall short of Rob's First Light sets. Robs i give 10 OUT OF 10, The Jap stuff except Shazam 9 out of 10. The Jap Shazam and Sony remasters 7 out of 10. I hope that helps. The Jap CD's are deleted but you can still find them, try ebay. They look cool too in their mini lp sleeves. ********** Subject: Song Of The Week: "Vote For Me" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:01:02 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins < Song Of The Week: June 9, 2003 "Vote For Me" by The Move (unreleased until "Movements" box set) Possible discussion topics: Vocals Lyrics Songwriting Arrangement/Production Instrumentation Strong or weak points ***************************** (Lyric corrections welcome!) "Vote For Me" (R. Wood) This crappy (?) West Coast hippie scene is becoming quite a drag It seems that all my freaky clothes are turning into rag The time has come to break the strings Free to form constructive things Tear the world right off the hinges CHORUS Vote for me Vote for me Sign across the line Vote for me Vote for me We can overtake the world For some millions in this place, their views are never heard They take precautions just in case you say a dirty word With adverse comments they promote Re-election antidote, just a game to cast your vote CHORUS (repeat) Take up your pen You won't regret it You never met such an opportunity For the people who are in the way Make a new election day Please correct me if I seem to be making too much noise In this profession people rush to cut you down to size So after all the scenes are played Dig my brain with a golden spade There's a fortune to be paid CHORUS (repeat) Vote for me Vote for me Sign across the line Vote for me Vote for me Sign across the line Vote for me Vote for me Vote for me... ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Vote For Me" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:28:52 -0700 From: "Andrew Footman" This is a great Rocker sung by Trev. The missing lyric is 'Rascal's'. This was the lost B side to the unreleased CBC single. After Harold Wilson sued the Move this one proved a bit too risky has a follow up! "This crappy rascal's West Coast hippie scene is becoming quite a drag" It may well have been aimed at someone they disliked. ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Vote For Me" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:54:31 -0700 From: Jeff R. Lonto I think the lyric is simply "This crappy West Coast hippie scene is becoming quite a drag" with no reference to Felix Cavaliere's group the Rascals whatsoever. ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Vote For Me" Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:23:16 -0700 From: kakman1 >This crappy rascal's West Coast hippie scene is becoming quite a drag mebbe i heard it wrong but i thought it was "scrappy rascal" Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Vote For Me" Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:40:44 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Crappy/scrappy lyrics aside, what does everything think about the song itself? If anyone remembers, the "Movements" box was eagerly anticipated (for 30 years, no less) because of "Vote For Me," a long, lost Move song that was finally going to be released. Here on the Move list, reaction was luke-warm, generally speaking. If you were underwhelmed with it at first, has it grown on you? Or did you like it instantly? List member Larry Jacobson recently named it as one of his Top 5 favorite Move-related tracks. If you haven't heard it, you don't have to search for "Movements." It's also on "The Move - Hits & Rarities/Singles A's & B's" on Repertoire (REP 4665). Sounds a lot better on this release. It's also on the remastered "Move" CD, also on Repertoire (REP 4690). ********** Subject: Re: Song Of The Week: "Vote For Me" Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:36:16 -0700 From: Lisa Naysmith Hi, This is my first post to the Move list, and I'm sorry to begin on such a negative note. I probably have a different viewpoint about this song to most of you about this song because I've only been listening to the Move for about a year, so to me there are no special historyonics about it being a long lost track. I must say that I can't think of another song by the band that I like less. It sounds to me like one of those "bolted together" songs. By this I mean that in it's composition it has been made of of component parts rather than composed as a whole. I think the Beatles did this a lot on songs like Happiness Is A Warm Gun, and A Day In The Life, and really made it work musically, but I think that songs written in this way are the most difficult to get working muscially, and for me Vote For Me does not: the changes in rhythm and direction are too numerous, frequent, and abrupt for the effect on the listener to be anything other than unsettling. But I have seen that some of you like this song, so I'd ask some of you to explain why. Luv, Lisa P.S. Vote For Me was the inspiration to my friend who introduced me to the Move to record his own satirical song of the same title in time for the UK 2002 general election! ********** Subject: "Wizzard's Brew" & "The Music" Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:23:04 -0700 From: shawn rush Anyone who knows me, knows that Wizzards Brew knocks me out when ever I hear it. Man, it's been like that now for about 30 years, that L.P. sure holds up. Anyways, I bought a CD by a U.K. band called THE MUSIC from a friend's advice. It reminds me so much of W.B. From the first time I heard it (a few months ago). It's heavy stuff man. ********** Subject: Nancy Sinatra's "California Man" cover Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:00:04 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins David Rizzo posted about this to the ELO-Showdown list yesterday, and I thought it would be of interest to the Move List. It seems the official Nancy Sinatra website (http://www.nancysinatra.com) has added a one-minute soundclip of her cover of The Move's "California Man." It's from her album "California Girl," released last year. To find the clip, click on "Bootique," and then click on "California Girl," listed under Compact Discs. A pop-up window will appear that lists all the tracks on the album. Click on "California Man" to hear the clip. You need to have QuickTime installed. How does this one rate among Move covers? ********** Subject: Re: Nancy Sinatra's "California Man" cover Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:42:05 -0700 From: "Joachim Beeck" Hey all there! If you search around the nancy homepage, you surely will find another Move-Cover. I found the awful cover of Flowers in the Rain on the How Does It Feel Button on the Bootique Side. What do you think about it? I Think if this were an offer to a racing like German search the super star this one will soon be forgotten. But please make your own decision. Joachim, Dusseldorf http://www.nancysinatra.com/bootique.html ********** Subject: Re: Nancy Sinatra's "California Man" cover Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:42:17 -0700 From: Bob Hughes >How does this one rate among Move covers? Great band. Captures the frenetic wild abandon of the original. Nancy seems lost in the reverb. But maybe that's how it should be. ********** Subject: Message From The Country Remaster Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:42:04 -0700 From: "Andrew Ralph" Just a vague enquiry as to the state of play in getting MFTC released. We know it will be great whenever it comes, and it is obviously well worth the wait. But a few months ago Lynn made a big thing of 'think "late spring"' in a couple of e-mails, and I'm now looking forward to the first day of summer in 17 days time! Any news gratefully received. ********** Subject: MFTC booklets Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:54:30 -0700 From: kakman1 Are the booklets enclosed in the MFTC remaster autographed by Roy, Jeff and/or Bev? Kevin Kunreuther Dallas TX ********** Subject: Re: MFTC booklets Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:27:09 -0700 From: "Andrew Footman" A Move album fully signed, now that would be nice. The first album too, er go on all of them. We can dream on, who knows we may get a few former Move members to sign a few. ********** Subject: Re: Reissues Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:07:42 -0700 From: "davidburley" Bofus (?) writes: >For all I know, it's just the First Light series. Boulders, Msg from >the country, Elo 1 and 2. Is there more planned? If someone could >clue me in, I'd appreciate it. That reminds me. Wasn't Message From The Country reissue scheduled for release this Spring. I seem to recall Rob writing (I paraphrase) "In this instance the word spring does, indeed, fit." We are well into Spring in the UK. Dare I ask? Go on then I will. Any news of an issue date, Rob? Regards David Burley Burley Towers ********** Subject: Re: Reissues Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:46:50 -0700 From: "Rob Caiger" >We are well into Spring in the UK. Dare I ask? Go on then I will. >Any news of an issue date, Rob? When Roy decides and not before. Sadly. ********** Subject: Re: Great singers Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:00:31 -0700 From: "Andrew Footman" Carl is a cracking singer. In fact he is better now than he was with the Move. Roy Wood again has a great voice, Whisper In The Night and Forever show him at is best. Hello Suzie is a great gruff alternative. A vocal range that can mimic a lot of styles of singing. Ace is fantastic, For Your Love is wonderful. I for one am treating his lost album (Ace The Face) a must to have! Trevor Burton - great Rock and Roll singer. Weekend, Something Else. Great Stuff. Bev, er, great at being a bullfrog mimic. I hate Zing but love Ben Crawley. He did those deep I SEE RAINBOWS on ICHTGG. So not a great voice but he makes the woofers wobble a bit! ********** Subject: Re: Great singers Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:29:59 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Andy wrote: >Carl is a cracking singer. In fact he is better now than he was with the >Move. My Carl vocal preferences: The Move, especially live (the guy rocks HARD), when Carl and Roy worked together on songs like "Hazel Eyes," and his gospel-tinged recordings, "Someday" and "Miss You Nights." I like his voice best either full-throttle rock 'n' roll (when his range is off the charts), or understated (i.e. Beautiful Daughter). To me, this is when he's a great singer. Some of his more dramatic solo material is too over-the-top for my taste. I like it when he pulls back and flows with the music, instead of landing on top of it. If he ever recorded a gospel album, complete with choir and maybe an international gospel recording or two guesting on the record, it would be a hit. >Roy Wood again has a great voice, Whisper In The Night and Forever show >him at is best. Here again, with Roy, I prefer understated, where he can really show off his depth and range. Yes, he is absolutely a great singer. By the way, I know I'm supposed to love his singing on tracks like Buffalo Station (sorry Shawn!), but the decibel level fries my brain cells. ;) It's good, from a rock 'n' roll standpoint, but it's not my favorite of Roy's singing styles. All of his Move vocals are wonderful, as are Carl's, and I could make a list a mile long of what I consider to be his best post-Move vocals. The Song and Dear Elaine would be near the top. His pitch is astounding - his voice is a delicate instrument. I love his Big Band/Army singing as well. >Ace is fantastic, For Your Love is wonderful. I for one am treating >his lost album (Ace The Face) a must to have! I think "Ace The Face," when it comes out, will make us all feel very sad that Ace's voice wasn't put in the spotlight more often. He's very good. >Trevor Burton - great Rock and Roll singer. Weekend, Something Else. >Great Stuff. With The Move, Trevor's voice blends very nicely with Roy's and Carl's. He can rock out, or he can sing tenderly, as with The Girl Outside. With The Trevor Burton Band, he's dropped down an octave or two. A bit gravel-y, which works well with his blues style of guitar playing. >Bev, er, great at being a bullfrog mimic. I thoroughly enjoy Bev's singing voice. HEH! ********** Subject: Trevor Burton & Gary Wright's "Extraction" Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 03:37:00 -0700 From: Harold Anyone know what tracks Trevor plays on on Gary Wright's early solo LP "Extraction"? ********** Subject: "10538 Overture" on new Virgin TV 3CD Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 03:36:33 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins Just released on the Virgin TV label, featuring "10538 Overture" on the second disc. I dunno... was Early ELO "prog rock"? "10538" was the result of Roy's "colossal heavy metal cello band" concept, so perhaps. It's a shame a track from "Looking On" wasn't included... THE BEST PROG ROCK IN THE WORLD... EVER! Label: Virgin TV Catalogue Number: VTDCD533 Release Date: June 9, 2003 Track Listings Disc: 1 1. Theme 1 - Van Der Graaf Generator 2. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight - Genesis 3. Roundabout - Yes 4. Joybringer - Manfred Mann's Earthband 5. Back Street Luv - Curved Air 6. Silver Machine - Hawkwind 7. Locomotive Breath - Jethro Tull 8. Hocus Pocus - Focus 9. Hoedown - Emerson, Lake and Palmer 10. Tomorrow Night - Atomic Rooster 11. Child In Time - Deep Purple 12. Valentyne Suite - Colosseum Disc: 2 1. Here Comes The Flood - Peter Gabriel 2. Tubular Bells (Part 1) (Edit) - Mike Oldfield 3. Winter Wine - Caravan 4. May I? - Kevin Ayers & The Whole World 5. Sympathy - Rare Bird 6. A Salty Dog - Procol Harum 7. Mocking Bird - Barclay James Harvest 8. Which Way The Wind Blows - Anthony Phillips with Mike Rutherford & Phil Collins 9. Lucky Man - Emerson, Lake And Palmer 10. In Every Dream Home A Heartache - Roxy Music 11. 10538 Overture - Electric Light Orchestra 12. Mumps - Hatfield & The North Disc: 3 1. Peaches En Regalia - Frank Zappa 2. Rhayader (From The Snow Goose) - Camel 3. Pantagruel's Nativity - Gentle Giant 4. Germ Patrol - Egg 5. O Caroline - Matching Mole 6. Bedside Manners Are Extra - Greenslade 7. Meditation Of The Snake - Steve Hillage 8. Spectral Mornings - Steve Hackett 9. Ships In The Night - Be Bop Deluxe 10. Keep On Crinting - Man 11. Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers - Van Der Graaf Generator ********** Subject: Re: "10538 Overture" on new Virgin TV 3CD Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:42:24 -0700 From: "Andrew Footman" >Just released on the Virgin TV label, featuring "10538 Overture" on >the second disc. I dunno... was Early ELO "prog rock"? "10538" was >the result of Roy's "colossal heavy metal cello band" concept, so >perhaps. It's a shame a track from "Looking On" wasn't included... Their Best Punk Album In The World had stuff on it that was not Punk Rock! I feel they get put together by folks who know very little about the music in question. Still it is nice to see it. I have seen this also on a Glam Rock set! Even more out of place there i think! ********** Subject: Re: "10538 Overture" on new Virgin TV 3CD Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:39:36 -0700 From: Richard Messum Holy cats!!!!! What an extraordinary collection this would appear to be: all the music i grew up with and love. Does Van der Graaf Generator's "A plague of lighthouse keepers" really appear in its entirety (all twenty-two minutes of it)? But, what, no King Crimson? No Tangerine Dream? Nothing by The Nice or Gong? And the inclusion of "Hoedown" and "Lucky Man" by ELP -- i love ELP but jeepers, these are their two worst numbers (IMHO). As for whether or not The Move or ELO were prog-rock -- i'd have to say, The Move were (on "Looking On" and "MFTC") and ELO were, initially (1st three [?] albums) before they morphed into the superb pop music group we all know and love. And Roy Wood, of course, created "Super-Active Wizzo"..... But as much as i love "heavy metal cello," i doubt i'll be buying this compilation: i have most of it already! ********** Subject: Re: "10538 Overture" on new Virgin TV 3CD Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:43:26 -0700 From: Lynn Hoskins >What an extraordinary collection this would appear to be: all the music >i grew up with and love. Does Van der Graaf Generator's "A plague of >lighthouse keepers" really appear in its entirety (all twenty-two >minutes of it)? Virgin TV has been busy putting out loads of collections like this one. "Capital Gold Sixties Legends" (November 2002) has The Move's "Fire Brigade." And Peter Grenville recently posted about the "British Legends" CD that features "Blackberry Way." I found a brief review of the new "Prog Rock" set in Friday's Birmingham Evening Mail: THE BEST PROG ROCK IN THE WORLD... EVER! A triple CD, 35 tracks and four hours of music - well, this is Prog Rock after all. Van Der Graaf Generator contribute two tracks weighing in at a whopping 26 minutes but what are Deep Purple (Child In Time), ELO (10538 Overture) Man (Keep On Crinting) and Hawkwind (Silver Machine) doing here? Hope that's enough Van Der Graaf Generator for ya! ;) End of Useless Information #480 ******************************* [This digest is the copyright of the Move "Useless Information" Mailing List. Re-publication or re-distribution of "Useless Information" content, in any form whatsoever, is expressly prohibited without prior written consent.]